Hey, everyone, welcome to from the kitchen table.

I am your host, Sean Duffy, along with my co-host and partner in life, Rachel Campos Cuffy.

Thank you, Sean.

Hello, everyone.

We're back with more conversations from our kitchen table.

And today we actually have a really special guest.

He might be the smartest guest we've ever had, Sean.

That's saying something.

We just had Vivek Ram Swami.

So here we are.

He's the author of The Dying Citizen, How Progressive Elites, Tribalism, and Globalization are destroying the idea of America. Please welcome to the kitchen table. Victor, Victor, Thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me. So, as well as I said, Victor Davis-Hon, let me just make one comment. We've done this podcast

for months now, and I've never seen Rachel prepare more for one podcast when she's nervous

about having you on because we both respect the intellectual giant that you are. And again,

we're on it to have you here. So thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me.

Okay. So let's just start with why you wrote this book, The Dying Citizen.

And maybe you want to start by just telling us, because I know you're such an observer

of not just politics, but, you know, what's happening in the academy and culture.

Tell me how long this traditional notion of citizenry has been in decline that you've been

able to observe.

Oh, I think it's been in decline for maybe 30 years, but it's accelerating. It's not

declining at an arithmetic rate, but a geometric. And as I said in the book, there's a lot of

contributing factors to that, whether it's globalization or this diminishment of physical or muscular

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