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Please, dear listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant podcast, brought to you by the dispatch and dispatch media.

Again, we are easing like a fat man into a warm bath into actual sort of like on the news

kind of stuff. But today is not the day for too much of that. But counter programming month

is coming to an end. But it'll be in our hearts for all time. I'm very excited about our guest,

my guest today. He's a fellow at the Manhattan

Institute. He's a senior editor at City Journal, venerable publication, and a contributor, which is

the real star in his cap, we have to be clear, he is a contributor to the dispatch. And I'm talking to

Charles Fain Lehman. Charles, welcome to the Remmen. Thanks so much

for having me on. I had lots of friends who are excited that I was doing the show. It tells me a great deal about your friends. Well, actually, what happened is that several of them texted me and we were like, do you know that Trinogoldberg talked about your Substack article for like 10 minutes on this podcast? I was like, I did not know that, but now I do.

So, yeah, well, so when we start there?

So, like, one of the know that, but now I do.

So, yeah, well, so when we start there.

So, like, one of the reasons why I talked about it is that I don't know if you know this about me, but like I am, I'm kind of like that reporter who from the old Hulk television

series who was obsessed with proving to the world that the Hulk was real and no one would

believe him. I am like at the world that the Hulk was real and no one would believe him.

I am like at the top of the list of obsessives

who thinks that the neo-conservatives

were not about foreign policy,

but were about domestic.

Yeah, right.

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