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Better Offline

Vibe Coding is BS w/ Charlie Meyer

Better Offline

Cool Zone Media and iHeartPodcasts

Technology

4.6688 Ratings

🗓️ 5 November 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Welcome to Radio Better Offline, a tech talk radio show recorded out of iHeartRadio's studio in New York City. Ed is joined in-studio by founder and writer Charlie Meyer to talk about the BS of vibe coding, why the valley went so crazy about scaling laws, and the realities of AI coding.

https://blog.charliemeyer.co/
https://csmeyer.substack.com/

Code Doesn’t Happen To You - https://csmeyer.substack.com/p/code-doesnt-happen-to-you
The Trillion Dollar Chart (scaling laws piece) - https://blog.charliemeyer.co/the-trillion-dollar-chart/
Replit’s Existential Problem - https://blog.charliemeyer.co/replits-existential-problem/

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast.

0:02.5

Guaranteed human.

0:06.6

Quarzone Media.

0:10.5

Hello and welcome to Better Offline.

0:12.5

I'm your host, Ed Zertron.

0:32.6

Better Offline. We're here in the beautiful IHartRadio studios in New York City, and I've got a guest, of course, Charlie Meyer, the esteemed blogger and CEO Picot.

0:33.9

Charlie, thank you for joining me.

0:35.7

Yeah, yeah, thanks for having me.

0:38.6

So, yeah, you've gained some, I would say,

0:45.2

notoriety recently by making blogs that go against the oinking of the hogs of the valley. And I think your scaling laws piece was the one that really got it going. Yeah, so I,

0:50.1

my blog gets some love and mostly hate on Hacker News.

0:55.9

That's my distribution channel.

0:57.5

Right.

0:57.8

And so I'm trying to get off of that.

0:59.4

We're going to try and build a like a newsletter type thing.

1:01.8

But yeah, I'll post on Hacker News and every once in a while I'll get something that blows up and I'll get my haters in there.

1:07.5

So what is it that's pissing them off?

1:10.0

So like I had to post a few weeks back that was on, I called it LLMs or the ultimate demoware. Right. And so I defined demoware as software that you make the software and it works well in the 30 minutes that you're showing an opt to executives or whoever's going to buy it. Right. And then it doesn't do the thing. Right. It doesn't do the thing day to day. And so I listed some examples and my startup's in Ettec, right? So we do, you know, and so like there's always something that I pick on is I really hate AI tutors and we can get into to that and how that all works. But so I said, oh, I listed out a few things that I thought were demo wear. So it's like, oh, vibe coding that makes dashboards.

1:45.3

Right.

1:45.4

You know, that's an easy thing to pick on.

1:46.8

And then I said, you know, AI tutors. And I said, well, maybe the kid won't want to talk to an AI tutor. Yeah. That was the critique I made, right? It's like, maybe they just don't want to talk to him. Yeah, well, we'll talk to a person.

1:58.1

Maybe they want to have, like, a teacher who is, like, in the classroom.

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