AI tools are transforming how developers write code, and although it's difficult to pinpoint how much code is now AI-generated code,

estimates suggest it's between 20% and 40%, and this figure is poised to grow in the coming years.

This evolution has given rise to a new coding paradigm in which developers act as directors, guiding and refining AI-generated solutions rather

than manually writing every line of code. This approach was recently termed vibe coding by Andre

Carpathie, and it shifts the programmer's role from detailed coding to overseeing and enhancing

AI-produced code. It emphasizes collaborative interaction with AI, blending human creativity with machine

efficiency to solve complex problems.

Vish Abrams is the chief architect at Heroku and previously worked at Oracle and NASA, among

other organizations.

In this episode, Vish joins the show with Kevin Ball for a wide-ranging conversation

about the state of AI-based tools, whether there are limits to vibe coding, AI tools for

individuals versus AI tools for teams, the model context protocol, Heroku's managed inference service,

and much more. Kevin Ball, or K-Ball, is the vice president

of engineering at Mento and an independent coach for engineers and engineering leaders. He co-founded

and served as CTO for two companies, founded the San Diego JavaScript meetup, and organizes

the AI inaction discussion group through latent space.

Check out the show notes to follow KBall on Twitter or LinkedIn or visit his website,

kball.l. LLC.

Fish, welcome back to the show.

Thank you.

I say welcome back because you were on not long ago, as I understand, talking about Heroku and the 12-factor application.

But let's have you reintroduce yourself really quickly.

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