Veterans to Trump: We Don’t Obey Illegal Orders, You Wannabe Dictator

The Lincoln Project

Society & Culture, News Commentary, Government, Daily News, News, Politics

4.7 • 8.4K Ratings

🗓️ 21 November 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

🔗️ Recording | iTunes | RSS

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

Rick Wilson breaks down the political firestorm ignited by the viral military veterans ad, reminding Americans—and the armed forces—never to obey illegal orders. This ad (and Trump's subsequent meltdown) is Rick's Elephant in the Room this week. The veterans-PSA ad featuring Elissa Slotkin (Senator and former intelligence officer), Mark Kelly (Senator and former Navy pilot), Jason Crow (Representative and Army veteran), Chris Deluzio (Representative and Navy veteran), Chrissy Houlahan (Representative and Air Force veteran), and Maggie Goodlander (Representative and Air Force veteran) urged U.S. service members to refuse illegal orders. The message was standard constitutional duty; the fallout was anything but. Within hours, Donald Trump detonated across social media, calling the ad “treason,” attacking veterans, and confirming—accidentally—exactly why the video mattered. Rick walks through everything that unfolded afterward: the furious MAGA messaging spiral, the stunned reaction inside the Pentagon, the immediate backlash from veterans’ organizations nationwide, and the growing panic among House Republicans suddenly asked whether they’d support Trump’s demand for total obedience. Rick unpacks the escalating tension, the legal implications of Trump’s statements, and why this episode may mark a turning point in the 2026 national security and rule-of-law debate. Buckle up—this one touched every live wire in American politics.
•
•
•
•
•
Rick Wilson is on X at @TheRickWilson, on Bluesky at @TheRickWilson.bsky.social, and you can check out Rick's Substack at therickwilson.substack.com. You can check out more of LP's work at www.lincolnproject.us and on X at @ProjectLincoln.

To get simple, online access to personalized, affordable care for ED, Hair Loss, Weight Loss, and more, visit Hims.com/LincolnProject for your free online visit. #ad

Visit ExpressVPN.com/LincolnProject to find out how you can get up to 4 extra months as a Lincoln Project Podcast listener. #ad

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0	Your task will not be an easy one.
0:02.5	Your enemy is well trained, well equipped, and battlehardt.
0:06.3	There is not a liberal America and a conservative America.
0:09.9	There is the United States of America.
0:14.5	Good night and good luck.
0:16.9	Hey folks, it's Rick Wilson.
0:17.9	Welcome to the Elton in the Room.
0:20.4	This week's health in the room is Rick Wilson. Welcome to the Elton in the room. This week's self-in-the-room is treason.
0:27.5	Earlier this week, a group of Democratic lawmakers, House and Senate members,
0:33.3	including Mark Kelly, Jason Crow, Elisa Slotkin, many others, did a video.
0:41.7	A message to their former brethren in the military services and the intelligence community.
0:48.6	I'm Senator Alisa Slotkin.
0:50.3	Senator Mark Kelly.
0:51.6	Representative Chris Delusio.
0:53.3	Congresswoman Maggie Goodlander.
0:55.0	Representative Chrissy Houlihan.
0:56.0	Congressman Jason Crow.
0:57.0	I was a captain in the United States Navy.
0:59.0	Former CIA officer.
1:01.0	Former Navy.
1:02.0	Former paratrooper and Army Ranger.
1:04.0	Former intelligence officer.
	...

Transcript will be available on the free plan in 4 days. Upgrade to see the full transcript now.

Previous episode | Next episode

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from The Lincoln Project, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of The Lincoln Project and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.