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I've got Chris Kavanaugh with me right now and Chris is fresh as a newborn bunny this morning.

He was up very early in the morning making sense with sense makers and

well talking about vaccines and public information and the heterodox sphere around all the controversies there and so yeah good job Chris I'm halfway through watching it I thought you were you were pretty pretty good

That's right I had a hardcore sense-making session at around 5 a.m. for me. I don't like to brag about these things,

but you know, on the store. I already went on there and talked about the

grometer it's an interesting channel because it hosts a lot of wackadoodles

that's it and it a lot of wackadoodles. And it also very recently had Curtis Jarvin who's not somebody I am particularly favorably disposed towards, like the philosopher fascist king of the Tech Silicon Valley

set. But I was not there to sense make with him. I talked to Z-D and David Fuller and Ben Burgess, the philosopher and

we were discussing about truth and trustworthiness and the COVID era.

I actually think it was a surprisingly productive discussion with an odd combination of people because we talked a lot about issues in the

heterodox sphere and at one point David Fuller said and I believe I'm quoting here,

the, it's time the heterodox sphere grew the fuck up.

Something along those lines.

So that was refreshing to hear.

Yeah, you were saying before, while preparing for it, the topic of the debate was kind of more about what's wrong with the institutions and the orthodoxy,

but the conversation seems to be bending more

towards what's wrong with the independent commentators

and the heterodox fear. and I think he might have had

something to do with that Chris.

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