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When Diplomacy Fails Podcast

Versailles #79: Confusion & Delusion

When Diplomacy Fails Podcast

Zack Twamley

Phd, International Relations, Korean War, European History, 17th Century, 18th Century, Politics, 20th Century, Thirty Years' War, History, 19th Century, War, First World War

4.8773 Ratings

🗓️ 22 June 2019

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Our latest episode contains the following theme, expressed by the Germans, to the effect that Germany would not accept the so-called 'war guilt clause'. The 22nd of June was a day of intense anxiety for the Germans and big three alike, because of this theme of defiance, and also, in a sense, delusion. The news of Scapa Flow hardly helped, as any sense of sympathy had been torpedoed, pun intended, and the Germans were faced with another brick wall. One particularly defiant message was sent in the late afternoon of 22nd June by Gustav Bauer, the German Chancellor, who clung to the notion that the most offensive articles could be deleted from the final version of the peace treaty, and it read:


Germany further lays the greatest emphasis on the declaration that she cannot accept article 231 of the Treaty of Peace which requires Germany to admit herself to be the sole and only author of the war, and does not cover this article by her signature. It consequently follows without further argument that Germany must also decline to recognise that the burdens should be placed upon her on the score of the responsibility for the war which has unjustly been laid at her door.


And that wasn't all - as it became evident that Germany would soon either tumble into an unwinnable war, or face the ultimate shame, statesmen across Europe were already planning for what would happen next. Yet, it was outside of Europe, in the court of the newest world power, that these decisions would prove most biting of all. What would the American President do with that undeniable tide of isolationism threatening to subsume American politics? And what would Europe do if, contrary to his public pronouncements, he was in fact submerged?

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0:00.0

Hello, history friends. Welcome to the latest episode of the Versa Inaversary Project.

0:03.9

Are you a New Yorker, or from New York, or able to get to New York?

0:07.8

Then you should check out the Intelligent Speech Conference, which is going to open its doors to all history podcasting fans in about a week's time.

0:16.0

On the 29th of June, a really, really exciting gathering of history podcasters is taking place.

0:21.7

Folks like Mike Duncan, David, Crowther, and Kevin Stroud will all be in the same place

0:27.7

at once.

0:28.7

Who knows what might happen?

0:30.1

Maybe some kind of rupture in the history podcast continuum, but hopefully it'll all go

0:34.9

down without a hitch.

0:36.3

I, unfortunately, will not be there, and maybe that will stop the rupture from happening,

0:40.1

but I would love to be there in the future and if you would like to see more conferences like

0:44.6

these take place, the best way to ensure that they do happen is to support them.

0:49.2

It's one thing to sit here on a sunny Saturday afternoon and talk to myself into this microphone. It's quite another

0:56.2

thing and it's really a pleasure to meet you guys in person and hear what you think about this show

1:01.2

and hear how it's helped you or helped you stay sane or helped you be more informed about history

1:06.9

in the past. It really is a pleasure, I have to emphasize. So I hope you will join the

1:12.4

Agora podcasting people and ensure that this is a big success. I have every confidence that it will be,

1:19.3

but maybe you're not really a one for meeting people in person. Maybe you'd rather talk to them

1:23.8

over the internet, but you're also sick and tired of those social media platforms

1:28.1

like Twitter and Facebook clogging up your feed and filling you with things you don't really

1:33.4

care about. Well, first and foremost, I'd say, try and get past that because we are on Twitter and

1:39.1

Facebook and we're having quite a good time doing it too. You can follow us at WDF podcast, join our group, which has nearly

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