Versailles #63: The Long Italian Shadow
When Diplomacy Fails Podcast
Zack Twamley
4.8 • 773 Ratings
🗓️ 5 May 2019
⏱️ 117 minutes
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Summary
In our longest episode to date (and hopefully ever) we examine the incredible story of the first week of May 1919, by delving into primary sources never before used on a podcast, and rarely used in books! This delivers to us a narrative rich in detail and plainly, in length, but it is a necessary chapter to absorb in our story simply because it is so fascinating. The Italians, as is commonly known, walked out of the Peace Conference in the last week of April. Therefore, a reasonable history enthusiast might conclude that the big three would ignore them, and that they would spend more time talking about Germany instead, especially since the German delegation was present in Paris, and eagerly awaiting the moment when they would be handed that peace treaty which the allies had been working on for so many months by this point.
And yet, an incredible truth of the 1-6 May 1919 is that, in spite of all of these facts which would recommend a speedy resolution of the German peace, and the conclusion of the first phase of peacemaking, the big three were utterly besotted with an apparently irrelevant issue - the Italians. That's right - contrary to what conventional pictures of the conference process tells us, the Italians were not forgotten once they left Paris. Instead, the Italians had never been so popular, as the allies worked to predict a morass of issues that concerned Rome. Would the Italians be included in the final peace? Would the Italians join the League of Nations? Would the Italians launch a pre-emptive strike at Fiume, or even Asia Minor? What should the allies do to stop them?
Amidst these concerns, of course, the conference did not sit still, and the German treaty was examined in a plenary conference on the afternoon of 6th May, in a process which House called 'stupid beyond endurance.' Yet, it deserves reiterating that even by that point, the allies had yet to examine or consider the treaty in its full scope or impact. It is often noted that the big three didn't spend enough attention properly considering the full extent of their decisions. What is talked about far less, and what my research brings forward here, is the surprising answer behind these delays and misconceptions.
The allies didn't pay scant regard to the eventual Treaty of Versailles because they were inherently lazy or ignorant, but because they were consumed and distracted by the long Italian shadow, which was cast over all their proceedings. Try as they might, they could not escape from the power which had abandoned them a week before. Tune in here for a story which I have never seen told; as we delve into the nitty gritty of the conference, to unveil a story that is as fascinating as it is disturbing. It's something which has to be HEARD to be believed, so if you'll join me for this two hour bonanza, I believe you'll come away with a completely different perspective on what it meant to be a peacemaker, and sit among the big three...
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| 0:00.0 | Oh, Lord have mercy. Look at the flaming size of this episode. Zach, what are you trying to do to me? |
| 0:07.2 | You're trying to kill me here? Well, history, friend, this is the biggest episode we've ever, |
| 0:12.2 | ever made, and it comes to you because, well, first and foremost, I set myself the task of doing |
| 0:18.5 | the Versailles Anniversary Project and covering what these people |
| 0:22.5 | were covering a century ago. |
| 0:24.6 | And let's just say they didn't make it easy for us. |
| 0:27.0 | They didn't think in 100 years into the future that some crazy guy would be speaking to |
| 0:31.8 | himself about the whole thing and that you guys would be just as crazy as me, if not more |
| 0:36.5 | so, and listen along. |
| 0:38.6 | In all seriousness, though, of course, this podcast is a listener-supported podcast, |
| 0:44.0 | and it's my job to do when diplomacy fails, |
| 0:46.7 | which explains why I'm able to deliver large, junky episodes like these to you guys on a regular basis. |
| 0:53.1 | Normally, for those of those that might be listening for the first time, we don't release |
| 0:57.0 | several episodes a week, and we do not release episodes that are more than an hour long, |
| 1:01.9 | as a rule. |
| 1:03.0 | As a rule, though, as well, I am trying to reduce the actual number of episodes, and I figured |
| 1:08.0 | it would be a better idea to release one large episode than several, |
| 1:12.1 | seriously, still quite large episodes. |
| 1:14.5 | If you'll forgive me for that crime of releasing an enormous episode, because I'm not Dan |
| 1:18.8 | Carlin, then great. |
| 1:20.7 | And if you'd like still more content, I know it's a bit of a hard sell at the moment, but |
| 1:25.7 | if you would like different content that is not Versailles related, head on over to patreon.com forward slash when diplomacy fails, and for five dollars a month, you could be chowing down on something as interesting as the Suez Crisis, or perhaps Jan Sobieski, Poland's last really good king and his biography. |
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