Summary
As scenes of civilian corpses strewn on the streets are repeated across Ukraine, Victoria, Vitaly and Lewis take stock of a watershed in how we are seeing the war.
Kay Devlin from BBC Monitoring’s anti-disinformation unit talks us through the clues and sources they look for when verifying whether what we’re viewing is valid.
We hear the first-hand account of Halyna Tovkach, who was shot, and her husband and neighbours killed, while they tried to flee the town of Bucha by car.
And the BBC Russian Service’s legendary presenter, Seva Novgorodsev, who played a key role promoting democracy in Russia, tells us how much of his work he feels has been undone by Vladimir Putin’s rhetoric.
This episode of Ukrainecast was made by Daniel Wittenberg with Osman Iqbal, Phil Marzouk and Miranda Slade. The technical producer was Emma Crowe. The editor is Jonathan Aspinwall.
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | BBC sounds, music, radio, podcasts. |
| 0:04.8 | Hello, it's 40 days since Russian forces invaded Ukraine, |
| 0:08.7 | and there are multiple stories coming out now |
| 0:11.4 | from different parts of the country of Ukrainian civilians being killed. |
| 0:17.4 | And we're all keen to understand the geography |
| 0:19.9 | of exactly where these apparent atrocities are happening. |
| 0:22.8 | We have a no-expense-bed map in front of us here. |
| 0:25.1 | You can sort of show me where exactly are we talking |
| 0:28.6 | when we're talking about their atrocities we're referring to at the moment. |
| 0:31.8 | Yeah, so the latest reports that we have been hearing from Ukraine, |
| 0:38.4 | they tend to focus on the northwest part of Kiev, |
| 0:44.3 | places like Butcher, European, Vorazolihostomin, |
| 0:49.8 | they kind of commute to towns or districts located here |
| 0:54.5 | to the immediate northwest of Kiev. |
| 0:56.5 | Or less as far as the Russians got. |
| 0:58.4 | Yes, and they're kind of the places where you don't really go to |
| 1:04.1 | unless you go there to sleep and then you commute back to your workplace |
| 1:08.1 | in Kiev in the morning. |
| 1:10.2 | There've also been claims of atrocities happening in Chernihiv here |
| 1:14.6 | to the north of Kiev. |
| 1:15.9 | It'll take more than a hour, maybe two hours, |
| 1:19.6 | to get from Kiev to Chernihiv. |
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