Yes, people are unfair. Governments are unfair. We've got nation against nation. Every day we find out there's secrets, there's agendas. God is above all of the schemes of men.

You can look at scripture and find out that it is an unrighteous thing for a Christian to avenge themselves.

But it is a righteous thing for God to avenge his children.

If you begin to defend yourself now,

you will have to do it for the rest of your life.

There was a woman I really looked up to.

She started to speak very slanderously about me.

Immediately the Holy Spirit said, let me defend you.

I thought, how are you going to defend me?

God said, well, you're going to have to humble yourself. I remember I was in a situation where I was being slandered. I wanted so bad to defend myself. Remember, I had a vision. It was the Lord. And his hands were behind his back. If you defend yourself, I will stand there and watch, but I won't get involved. Then I saw a vision of him actively involved protecting me.

And I realized right then.

Welcome to Conversations with John and Lisa Veer, and we're going to dive deeper into some of the

practicum of what we discussed in the last podcast, which we barely actually touched on.

If you're like, I don't know, I don't know if there was enough scripture.

You guys, we had more scriptures, but we also want you to be able to put things into practice.

Heaven has a courtroom.

We all knew it had a throne room, but a lot of people don't understand that God's very throne

is established with justice and righteousness.

So I'm going to actually add something in. We're Americans. We have a judicial system,

a legislative system, and executive branches. In a true kingdom, the throne room is the courtroom.

So we as Americans, we look at the throne, we really don't connect because we really don't see that in practicum in our country.

But when a king rules in judgment, he's on his throne.

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