Hi everybody this is Victor Hanson and it's the Victor Hanson podcast Sammy's not

with us today but we have a return of one of our most popular guests

Dr Stephen Quay.

I think you remember him.

It was in March 30th of this year,

and Stephen came in and weighed in on a whole array

of subjects surrounding COVID from the scientific to the social policy.

He has an MD PhD.

He's ahead of a biotheroputic corporation, Tasa Therapeutics.

He's a faculty member at Stanford and occasionally he comes through Palwatha when we're lucky enough to see him and he and I've had some great conversations and I think I'm just going to plow right into it Stephen last time you were here it was kind of still controversial about the origins of the COVID virus and

there was still that taboo that anybody suggested as you had said one of the first that it was highly unlikely that that virus originated outside of the Wuhan lab.

Is there anything you can update us on about? Is that defunct now the Fauchy theory? You know

Victor I mean some theories never die no matter how much evidence you have but we have learned new things since then.

Way back in January of 2020,

the State Department, the outgoing Trump State Department,

put out a fact sheet around the virus and indicated that three scientists

from the one instrumentology have been sick in the fall with a pneumonia that looked very much

like like SARS-Covi too. Since then we've actually had those scientists have been

named and they are in fact some of the most prominent scientists at the Wune in in serology that have been studying

coronaviruses for over a decade doing synthetic biology on them moving around

the spike protein moving around genes that involve pathogenicity or the ability to kill human cells.

So that was a pretty remarkable finding.

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