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Hi, I'm Willow Belden, and you're listening to Out There, the podcast that explores big questions through intimate stories outdoors.

For many of us, living through a pandemic means spending a lot of time at home.

But what if you live on the road? On this episode, we're going to talk with a woman named Amber McDaniel.

Amber lives in a van full-time, and she runs the website, Always the Adventure.

She and her partner are avid rock climbers, and living on the road means they get

to enjoy America's most beautiful natural places all the time. They're both freelance writers,

so working remotely is not a problem. But when the coronavirus hit and people started being

asked to stay home, their nomadic lifestyle was turned on its head.

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