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Welcome to the Danny Paul, with me James Danny Paul. I know I always sound excited about

this week's special guest, but I'm really really really happy to welcome back to the show

Vanessa Bealey. Vanessa, we've come, well, I've come, I've come such a long way since

our first podcast, doesn't it? It's like, I've been from a different planet. We all have

our journey to many times, but yeah, when I look back on that first, I wouldn't say we

were restrained with one another, but we were on very different planets as regards some

issues. Well, I do remember, I do remember you being quite shocked by how rampantly pro

Israel I was in the past. I actually refused to teach you in the beginning. Did you? I

didn't know that or did I? No, I think I said to you, well, I'm a bit nervous because

of your pro Israeli stance. Yeah. Well, I do know, I mean, in some ways, my position

has not changed in that my heart goes out to all the ordinary Israelis who've been coerced

into having these death jabs. I have no problem with ordinary Israeli people. Any more

than have any people anywhere in the world. I'm not so sure about the regime or the aims

thereof, but the ultimate goals thereof. Yeah, exactly, exactly. But you know, I think

what's what's great about you is that you're open to discussing with anyone about anything

and I think that's something that we're really losing and have been losing for a very

long time and it's terribly important to maintain it. You make me sound like some paragon

actually Vanessa, there are some things I wouldn't have on the show for example, I wouldn't

have an anti fox hunting person on the show to tell me why fox hunting was evil or I don't

think I'd have a vegan on the show to tell me why why me cheating was wrong. But you're right,

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