This is an I-Heart podcast.

What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi.

Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?

Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.

From prologue projects and Pushkin Industries, this is Fiasco, Benghazi.

What difference at this point does it make? Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, and we tell stories about everything here on this show.

And you've heard Bob Drury and Tom Clavin share their story about Red Cloud

from their number one New York Times bestseller, The Heart of Everything That Is.

They're back now with one of the most interesting and inspiring and underappreciated chapters in American history.

The story of the Continental Army's six-month transformation

in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Although no battle was fought at Valley Forge, it was the

turning point of the Revolutionary War. Here's Bob and Tom. Tom and I contend in Valley Forge

that the characters who inhabit this book and their

shared core of values, which we were pretty much blown away by, were part of the most productive

generation of statesmen in the history of the United States. We say this well aware of FDR's kitchen cabinet and Abraham

Lincoln's team of rivals. What we hope we have accomplished with Valley Forge is, as the

anthropologists say, is to make the familiar strange and the strange familiar. When Tom and I were writing this book, we had,

I guess I would call it, what, friendly arguments with

historians about, no, Valley Fortune.

Trenton, the Battle of Trenton, the surprise attack on Trenton

and the subsequent victory of Prince, that was the key to the Revolutionary War.

And other historians would tell us, no, no, no, no. It's when the French got into the

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