Valentine's Day Special - Isaac and Phoebe reflect on big changes
Tangle
Isaac Saul
4.7 • 817 Ratings
🗓️ 14 February 2026
⏱️ 97 minutes
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Summary
Three years ago, I had a fun idea for Valentine’s Day: I would bring my wife Phoebe on the Tangle podcast.
My idea was that the two of us could sit down, have a glass of wine, and talk about our lives, Tangle, Phoebe’s first year of law school, a little bit of politics, and have a few good laughs. But, as I probably should have expected, the show took on some more depth. We got very personal. We talked about the challenges of our relationship, of our move from New York to Philly, and of trying to bounce back in the post-Covid world.
Immediately after publishing the episode, I was inundated with emails from people saying how much they loved the episode, how candid it was, and how interesting my very smart and quick-witted wife was as a guest. So, in 2024, we did it again. And then again in 2025. And now, in 2026, with the fourth-ever Valentine’s Day podcast, I think we can officially call it a tradition.
Last year, when we recorded the podcast, we were less than a month into having our first child, and Phoebe was entering her last semester of law school. This year, we discussed Phoebe’s experience so far as a public defender, her thoughts on cash bail, what has surprised her about the job, how she feels defending people guilty of real crimes, and what being a mom and an attorney is like. We then shared our favorite things about our son and some nice things about each other (because it’s Valentine’s Day, after all). Also, we break some personal news.
So, today, I’d like to say Happy Valentine’s Day. I hope you enjoy the episode (and this new tradition). Also, Phoebe says if the comments section is mean, she’s not coming back — so be nice.
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| 0:00.0 | Good morning, good afternoon and good evening and welcome to the Tangle podcast. |
| 0:21.8 | Today is a very special episode. |
| 0:24.4 | Three years ago, I had a fun idea for Valentine's Day. |
| 0:28.5 | I would bring my wife, Phoebe, onto the Tangle podcast. |
| 0:32.7 | My idea was that two of us could sit down, have a glass of wine, talk about our lives, Tangle, Phoebe's |
| 0:38.0 | first year of law school, a little bit of politics, and maybe have a few good laughs. But, as I |
| 0:43.4 | probably should have expected, this show took on some more depth. We got very personal. We talked about |
| 0:49.5 | the challenges of our relationship, of our move from New York to Philly, and of trying to bounce back in the |
| 0:55.1 | post-COVID world. Immediately after publishing the episode, I was inundated with emails |
| 1:00.4 | from people saying how much they loved it, how candid it was, and how interesting my very |
| 1:05.3 | smart and quick-witted wife was as a guest. So in 2024, we did it again, and then again in 2025. And now, in |
| 1:14.4 | 26, with the fourth ever Valentine's Day podcast, I think we can officially call it a tradition. |
| 1:21.2 | Last year, when we recorded the podcast, we were less than a month into having our first child, |
| 1:25.6 | and Phoebe was entering her last semester of law school. |
| 1:28.6 | This year, we discussed Phoebe's experience so far as a public defender, her thoughts on cash bail, |
| 1:34.3 | what has surprised her about the job and how she feels defending people guilty of real crimes, |
| 1:39.8 | and of course what being a mom and an attorney is like. |
| 1:43.4 | Then, we shared our favorite things about our son and some nice things about each other because it's Valentine's Day after all. |
| 1:50.0 | And also, we broke a little bit of personal news. |
| 1:52.9 | So today, I'd like to say happy Valentine's Day. |
| 1:56.5 | I hope you enjoy the episode and this new tradition. |
| 1:59.7 | Also, Phoebe says if the comments section is mean, she's not coming back. |
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