You're listening to Song Exploder, where musicians take apart their songs, and piece by piece, tell the story of how they were made.

I'm Rishi Kesh Hirwe.

On September 5th, I'm going to be doing a special live Song Exploder event in Los Angeles with Boni Vair.

Justin Vernon and producer Jimmy Stack are going to be joining me on stage to tell the story behind one of the songs from the new Bonie Verre album, Sable Fable. So if you've ever wondered what a full, unedited Song Exploder conversation is like, this is your chance to be in the room. This is going to be a live event only. It's not going to be live streamed or repeated on any other night, so I hope you can make it. It's going to be at the beautiful Palace Theater in downtown L.A.

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When Leticia Tamco started making the second Vagabond album, she really wanted to produce the entire thing on her own.

It would be a new sound, and producing was still a relatively new skill for her, but she wanted to tackle it head-on and do it all herself.

On this song, though, Water Me Down,

Leticia actually had a co-producer, Eric Littman.

It's the one exception to her otherwise entirely self-produced album.

In this episode, she breaks down how she and Eric collaborated to make the song,

and why it was worth making that exception.

It really waters me down.

Hi, I'm Leticia Tamco, and I make music as Vagabond.

I was at my friend Eric Lippman's house in Bushwick, New York, and I was at my friend, Eric Lippman's house in Bushwick, New York. We met at a

mountain show. Our friend used to host these shows where you hike up a mountain with your

instruments in Cold Spring, New York, and you play at different points of the hike. So I performed one,

and Eric just needed a ride. So we met through the carpool and became great friends. He is someone

who has been really supportive of my journey as a producer. During the winter, every Wednesday,

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