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Welcome to the latest United Statesam podcast.

I'm Mandy Mitton and I'm sat in the Trafford Centre in a seat where I interviewed Mike Feeleon for a podcast.

A couple of months ago.

Mike has now gone off to Australia after the experience of speaking to me.

So I hope the lad I'm sat with now doesn't feel like the need to go to the other side of the world either.

And with Ben Thornley, Benjamin Fornley, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to call him Benjamin,

but he calls me Andrews, I'm going to call him Benjamin.

We did a podcast in Barbados five years ago look at us name dropping Barbados it was a trip for veterans football uh the legends football and we had a really good chat then

uh Ben and I but we also had David, the former Liverpool player and someone else.

Steve Watson. Steve Watson. He's a character in. Yeah, he's a character. And they didn't

realise we were having a really serious and at times quite a traumatic interview because Ben's

career didn't end up how he hoped it would have done and just as ben was basically about

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