It's the champ Shannon Briggs and you're listening to the toe-to-to-to-pocass let's go champ Oh, Well, hello and welcome to this week's edition of Ringside To To Toe, a boxing podcast exclusive to Sky Sports.

I'm Andy Scott and I'm joined by a man who definitely knows if the elephant or the lion

is the king of the jungle.

It's former Superfellowic World Champion Barry Jones.

Barry, how you doing?

I'm good at that, I know you, mate.

Really good, thank you.

Yeah, my knowledge of the jungle pyramid of animals

is increased tenfold during this week. So after Derek Chazora took

center stage last week we're joined by a trainer who probably knows him better than most.

It's Don Charles. Don thank you so much for joining us. My pleasure. Don can we go straight to you if you don't mind? A lot of people were expecting Derek to get out classed by Alexander Ucyk at the weekend, but it just didn't happen that way it just didn't unfold that way

was that one of his best and probably most disciplined performances over 12 rounds

today certainly in recent memory?

The answer is categorically no to all those.

I'll explain myself.

I'm not a betting man, but nevertheless,

I backed my guide Derek Zora if you I did a lot of interviews

pre-fire interviews with different networks to for prediction of how the outcome will be.

And I went with my boy, I still call him my boy,

my former fighter Derek Zora, not because I was his former trainer purely because I believed stylistically and there's a seasoned heavyweight that he would be it will cause you sick a lot of problems.

So yes, he caused you sick a lot of problems initially for the first three rounds and that what what happened after that I'm a boxing purist and I'm not going to sit here and disguise it for what I saw.

Yeah? He was lucky to finish the fight in my opinion, okay? After Eusek sustained and absorbed the initial onslaught from Derek

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