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Have A Seat with Chris Hansen

Using a Serial Killer to Catch a Killer | Sheryl “Mac” McCollum | Have A Seat

Have A Seat with Chris Hansen

Chris Hansen

True Crime

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 20 May 2026

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

On this special episode of Have a Seat, Chris Hansen is joined by legendary crime scene investigator, Sheryl “Mac” McCollum to discuss her latest book, Swans Don’t Swim in a Sewer; Solving the Cold Case of the Flint River Killer’s Daughter, and how she used the serial killer to catch a killer.  The case of Melissa Wolfenbarger is something straight out of a Hollywood film with so many twists and turns, it’s hard to believe it all happened the way it did, and how it all ended in court, will leave you shocked!  McCollum and Hansen go through all the wild ins and outs of the case and why she decided it was time to tell the real story.  But an interview with “Mac” wouldn’t be complete without getting her thoughts on the Nancy Guthrie case and they talk about her newest project set to release soon, her investigation into the escape from Alcatraz!  You’re definitely going to want to have a seat for this episode!  OneSkin: Get 15% off OneSkin with the code HANSEN at https://www.oneskin.co/HANSEN#oneskinpod Home Title Lock: Go to https://hometitlelock.com/chrishansenand use promo code HANSEN to get a FREE title history report and a FREE TRIAL of their Triple Lock Protection! For details visit https://hometitlelock.com/warranty Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

W.A. Police Confidential is true crime in real time. We've got seven good suspects. Did a packet of beef jerky help you catch a killer? You can hear the screams coming from the window. He could not recall how many people he had killed. Every week we take you inside real active police investigations. How do you solve a murder without a body? How do you catch a professional hitman? All the latest on cold case mysteries and a whole lot more.

0:22.8

WA Police Confidential, the official WA Police podcast every week, wherever you get your podcasts.

0:51.9

I have seen a lot of twisted murder stories in my 44 years as a journalist, but this one, this one is unbelievable for a number of different reasons.

0:54.5

Imagine a young woman, a wife and mother,

1:04.1

disappears in 1998 on Thanksgiving. The case goes cold, despite some twists and turns,

1:09.5

for 25 years. A relative reaches out to what of our good friends,

1:15.8

Cheryl Mack McCullum, who is a crime scene investigator with the Metro Atlanta PD.

1:21.5

She is also the founder of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, host of Zone 7 podcast, an author of a new book, Just Out, that talks about this entire case called Swans Don't Swim in a

1:30.7

sewer. Mack, thank you for joining us. Thank you for having a seat with me today.

1:35.0

Absolutely. Thank you so much. There's so much to this case and so many twists and turns.

1:41.2

I can't wait to take a look at the book, and I'm sure there's a

1:44.4

movie in it someplace. But tell me, this mother of this victim came to you and explain how

1:53.2

that came about. I was given a speech, and it was a black tie fair, and I saw this woman come in in my peripheral,

2:02.5

and she had on Bermuda shorts, a tank top, and a strong hat.

2:06.9

And, you know, obviously she didn't fit the other guest there,

2:10.5

but she was holding an 8 by 10 frame.

2:14.3

So I thought this has got to be a mother of a missing or murdered child. So when I was done

2:19.7

talking, I went right over to her and she turned the frame around and said, this is my daughter,

2:25.5

Melissa. She was beheaded in Atlanta. Will you help me? And I mean, there was no way to say no to her.

2:33.3

No, you cannot say no to that. I mean, I can't really talk at this event, but will you come to my office next week? And she did. And that's when this story really just kind of took off. She had a binder with her. And, you know, you and I are cut for the same cloth. I started to reach for that binder immediately.

2:52.0

I wanted to get in that case, you know.

2:54.2

And she put her hands on it and said, I know you've already agreed to help me.

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