Using a Serial Killer to Catch a Killer | Sheryl “Mac” McCollum | Have A Seat
Have A Seat with Chris Hansen
Chris Hansen
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🗓️ 20 May 2026
⏱️ 46 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | W.A. Police Confidential is true crime in real time. We've got seven good suspects. Did a packet of beef jerky help you catch a killer? You can hear the screams coming from the window. He could not recall how many people he had killed. Every week we take you inside real active police investigations. How do you solve a murder without a body? How do you catch a professional hitman? All the latest on cold case mysteries and a whole lot more. |
| 0:22.8 | WA Police Confidential, the official WA Police podcast every week, wherever you get your podcasts. |
| 0:51.9 | I have seen a lot of twisted murder stories in my 44 years as a journalist, but this one, this one is unbelievable for a number of different reasons. |
| 0:54.5 | Imagine a young woman, a wife and mother, |
| 1:04.1 | disappears in 1998 on Thanksgiving. The case goes cold, despite some twists and turns, |
| 1:09.5 | for 25 years. A relative reaches out to what of our good friends, |
| 1:15.8 | Cheryl Mack McCullum, who is a crime scene investigator with the Metro Atlanta PD. |
| 1:21.5 | She is also the founder of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, host of Zone 7 podcast, an author of a new book, Just Out, that talks about this entire case called Swans Don't Swim in a |
| 1:30.7 | sewer. Mack, thank you for joining us. Thank you for having a seat with me today. |
| 1:35.0 | Absolutely. Thank you so much. There's so much to this case and so many twists and turns. |
| 1:41.2 | I can't wait to take a look at the book, and I'm sure there's a |
| 1:44.4 | movie in it someplace. But tell me, this mother of this victim came to you and explain how |
| 1:53.2 | that came about. I was given a speech, and it was a black tie fair, and I saw this woman come in in my peripheral, |
| 2:02.5 | and she had on Bermuda shorts, a tank top, and a strong hat. |
| 2:06.9 | And, you know, obviously she didn't fit the other guest there, |
| 2:10.5 | but she was holding an 8 by 10 frame. |
| 2:14.3 | So I thought this has got to be a mother of a missing or murdered child. So when I was done |
| 2:19.7 | talking, I went right over to her and she turned the frame around and said, this is my daughter, |
| 2:25.5 | Melissa. She was beheaded in Atlanta. Will you help me? And I mean, there was no way to say no to her. |
| 2:33.3 | No, you cannot say no to that. I mean, I can't really talk at this event, but will you come to my office next week? And she did. And that's when this story really just kind of took off. She had a binder with her. And, you know, you and I are cut for the same cloth. I started to reach for that binder immediately. |
| 2:52.0 | I wanted to get in that case, you know. |
| 2:54.2 | And she put her hands on it and said, I know you've already agreed to help me. |
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