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USA: Will Trump pardon himself?

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🗓️ 16 December 2020

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

During four years in office, President Donald Trump has already handed out a number of controversial pardons to friends and allies, but are there more to come? And what is the intended use of the pardon power?


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Guests: 

Michael Gerhardt, professor of Constitutional law at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

Josh Glancy, Washington Bureau Chief, The Sunday Times.


Host: Manveen Rana. 

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0:00.0

President Donald Trump has spent his career and particularly his time in the White House

0:06.9

flouting norms.

0:08.9

President Trump has been in office for nearly two and a half years and his administration has seen

0:13.0

unprecedented turnover inside his cabinet. This is definitely

0:16.8

unprecedented. It is worth looking at what the president just did here because as we

0:20.9

said it's unprecedented. Unprecedent and unprecedented in both its breath and its brazenness.

0:27.0

Having lost the election will Donald Trump make his last few weeks in office just as unprecedented, particularly when it comes to the power

0:37.0

of the presidential pardon.

0:39.3

No president in American history has ever pardoned himself, And if he does it, it's the kind of thing nobody

0:46.4

would be surprised by. You're listening to stories of our times from the Times and the

0:51.3

Sunday Times. I'm Manveen Rana. Today, will Donald Trump pardon

0:57.0

himself? Josh Glancy here, Washington Bureau Chief for the Sunday Times.

1:11.5

To find out how the last few weeks of the Trump administration are playing out, we turned

1:16.7

to the Sunday Times Washington Bureau Chief.

1:19.0

Yeah, this is pardon season.

1:20.8

It starts with Thanksgiving when they pardon the turkey and then we'll run until

1:25.8

January the 20th and Joe run becomes president and we're used to this debate at this point in

1:32.0

presidency because the president no longer has to face

1:36.2

the voters again.

1:37.2

So the president is free to do that as he pleases until he's out of office. I think at this point people are expecting

1:44.3

Trump to flout whatever remaining norms. He hasn't flouted because there's really nothing

1:50.4

to stop him. He wasn't someone who was particularly accountable to

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