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US Labor & Imperialism Pt. 2: Zionism w/ Jeff Schuhrke (Palestine Pt. 16)

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🗓️ 13 January 2026

⏱️ 124 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, part 2 of our 2-part miniseries on US labor and imperialism, Jeff Schuhrke joins us to take a deep dive into his new book, No Neutrals There, exploring US labor's support of Zionism.

Jeff Schuhrke is a labor historian, journalist, union activist, and assistant professor at the Harry Van Arsdale Jr School of Labor Studies, SUNY Empire State University. He's the author of Blue-Collar Empire: The Untold Story of US Labor's Global Anticommunist Crusade, and No Neutrals There: US Labor, Zionism, and the Struggle for Palestine.

The conversation opens with a history of Zionism, looking at the rise of Zionism and crucially contrasting it to the Jewish Labor Bund and their different approach to Jewish emancipation. We then present a history of the settler-colonial project which became Israel, looking at the labor landscape in Palestine during the first half of the 20th century (the Great Arab Revolt, WWII, the period of the Holocaust) and exploring US labor's role in supporting the Zionist project ideologically, financially, and even militarily throughout the Nakba and the creation of the State of Israel. 

We then talk about how US labor's support (specifically the AFL-CIO's) for Zionism after the creation of the state of Israel, providing billions of dollars of support and lobbying on behalf of Israel, providing crucial early support. 

Part 1 of this miniseries took a deep dive into Jeff's book Blue-Collar Empire, looking at US labor's role in supporting imperialism and anticommunism. 

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So before what we think of the pro-Israel lobby came into existence, the AFL-CIO

0:25.8

was kind of the major pro-Israel lobby. Again, being very powerful in this period, having a lot

0:31.5

of close connections with U.S. government officials, often lobbying for more economic aid, for military aid to be sent to Israel.

0:41.3

At this point, it again, really before 1967, U.S. presidents and the U.S. State Department

0:47.3

were a little bit somewhat ambiguous about Israel. I mean, I'm not saying they were against

0:51.8

it necessarily, but they weren't completely fully

0:54.8

committed to propping up Israel like we all know of it in our lifetimes, right? That was something that

1:00.0

really kind of came about a little later. So in this early period, the AFLCIO support for Israel

1:06.5

was pretty crucial. It was just a very powerful, large organization in the U.S. using its connections,

1:13.4

political connections, to lobby on Israel's behalf. You're listening to Upstream. Upstream. Upstream.

1:20.5

Upstream. Upstream. A show about political economy and society that invites you to unlearn

1:25.7

everything you thought you knew about the world around you.

1:29.3

I'm Della Duncan.

1:30.3

And I'm Robert Raymond.

1:32.3

In 1982, when Israel invaded Lebanon killing tens of thousands of Lebanese civilians,

1:38.3

Ronald Reagan reportedly called Israeli Prime Minister Manichem Began

1:43.3

and screamed at him to stop bombing Beirut

1:47.0

and to stop killing children.

1:49.0

At the same time, the AFL-CIO, the largest labor federation in the United States, took out

1:55.0

a full-page ad in the New York Times reading in all caps,

1:59.0

The AFL-CIO is not neutral.

2:02.5

We support Israel.

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