US-China Summit at the G20 Amid Fallout From the Protests in Hong Kong | Ho-Fung Hung
Hidden Forces
Demetri Kofinas
4.8 • 1.6K Ratings
🗓️ 28 June 2019
⏱️ 37 minutes
🧾️ Download transcript
Summary
In Episode 92 of Hidden Forces, Demetri speaks with East Asian affairs expert Ho-Fung Hung about the upcoming US-China trade talks taking place at this weekend's G20 summit, as Xi-Jinping grapples with the ongoing protests in Hong Kong. Ho-Fung is the Henry M. and Elizabeth P. Wiesenfeld Professor in Political Economy at Johns Hopkins University, as well as the author of two books on China, including the award-winning "Protests with Chinese Characteristics," published in 2011.
On June 16th, 2019, an estimated 2 million people took to the streets of Hong Kong to protest the handling of a proposed extradition bill by the Hong Kong government and its Chief Executive Carrie Lam. This followed two massive demonstrations against the extradition bill earlier in the month, including one where police used pepper spray and tear gas against protesters. The controversial bill would allow Hong Kong to extradite to the mainland those accused of crimes under the People's Republic of China's Communist Party-led legal system. While Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam has suspended the bill, she has refused to withdraw it.
In this episode, we discuss what the protests mean for the future of Hong Kong and what they say about Hong Kong's relationship with mainland China. This includes an exploration of Hong Kong history going back to the Opium Wars and the signing of the Treaty of Nanking (Nanjing) in 1842, which ceded the Hong Kong island with surrounding smaller islands, to the United Kingdom in perpetuity.
Hong Kong activists have raised more than HK$5 million ($640,606) in a crowdfunding campaign to take out newspaper ads in a bid to get this controversial extradition bill on the agenda at the G20 summit. We discuss the details of the extradition amendment, but also consider prior offenses by the Hong Kong government that led to similar uprisings. The Umbrella Movement of 2014 is perhaps the most recent, but Ho-Fung and Demetri also discuss the 2003 protests that were then inspired by similar concerns over Basic Law Article 23 that threatened to roll back important civil liberties like freedom of speech.
In addition to the recent Hong Kong protests, Demetri and Ho-Fung Hung spend the duration of the overtime in a conversation about the RMB-USD peg, China's debilitating debt problem, the Belt and Road Initiative, and the China industrial lobby. Ho-Fung provides a path for how China may manage to avoid an all-out economic collapse after decades of uninterrupted growth and massive credit expansion. This part of the conversation, along with the transcript and rundown to today's episode can be accessed through our Patreon page at http://patreon.com/hiddenforces.
Producer & Host: Demetri Kofinas
Editor & Engineer: Stylianos Nicolaou
Subscribe & Support the Podcast at hiddenforces.io/subscribe
Join the conversation on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at @hiddenforcespod
Transcript
Click on a timestamp to play from that location
| 0:00.0 | Today's episode of Hidden Forces is made possible by listeners like you. |
| 0:04.8 | For more information about this week's episode or for easy access to related programming, |
| 0:09.9 | visit our website at Hidden Forces. I.O. and subscribe to our free email list. |
| 0:16.3 | If you listen to the show on your Apple Podcast app, remember, you can give us a review. |
| 0:21.3 | Each review helps more people find the show and join our amazing |
| 0:25.6 | community. And with that, please enjoy this week's episode. And the Hello, My pressure to be here. It's great having you on. You are the Henry M and Elizabeth P. Weisenfeld professor in political economy at Johns Hopkins. It's great having you here. Normally we do intros after the episode is done but in light of the fact that I want to get this |
| 1:07.0 | episode out immediately given the G20 summit I'm introing you right now |
| 1:11.9 | you're also the author of Protest with Chinese |
| 1:14.8 | characteristics, which was an award-winning book that came out in 2011, and you're |
| 1:18.7 | also the author of the China Boom Why China Will not rule the world. |
| 1:23.0 | It's wonderful having you here. |
| 1:25.0 | I don't know if you know this, but it was actually Anne Stevenson Yang who recommended you to me. |
| 1:29.0 | Yes, she's the China Whisper. |
| 1:31.0 | She's my China Whisper. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and she's in China whisper. She's my China whisper. |
| 1:32.8 | Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's in China right now and sometimes she go back and for |
| 1:36.5 | Virginia. Yeah, I don't I think she's had to come back now because of the relationship |
| 1:39.6 | between the US and China. Some stuff like that. Also I think some of her writings on some of these Chinese companies. |
| 1:45.7 | The financial vulnerability. |
| 1:47.0 | Yeah, exactly. |
| 1:48.0 | Things like that. |
| 1:49.0 | So it's great having you on. |
| 1:50.0 | You come, of course, like I said, highly recommended from Anne. |
... |
Please login to see the full transcript.
Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Demetri Kofinas, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.
Generated transcripts are the property of Demetri Kofinas and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.
Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.