Hello everyone. Here is another one of my episodes that I've had sitting and didn't get it published.

This is with John Ogden from Uplift Kids. This was recorded on September, like 14th or something like that.

And I have to just give an apology to John.

Sorry, it took so long to get this published.

But thanks for being patient.

And so hope you guys enjoy.

This is a really good one.

Thank you. So welcome, everyone. I have John Ogden here with me today. He is the founder of Uplift Kids,

and he's the host of the podcast spiritual parenting as well.

So thanks for coming and taking time out of your day.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah.

I kind of wanted to start your program.

I don't think people would have to know that you had a Mormon background at all, but you do.

And so with that, I was just wondering if you could kind of give listeners your Mormon background.

Yep.

That's right.

Yeah, people don't have to be aware that anybody on the team has a Mormon background to use uplift. My background is that I was

raised in Springville, Utah, and I, you know, attended seminary, went on a mission to California,

and came back. Well, I should say on my mission, I had something of a faith crisis where I just

discovered many things about the LDA church that I hadn't encountered before, and they were

very surprising to me. I didn't have many means to be able to, like, find ways to validate the things that I was reading. So I was just kind of left

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