Updates from Ember, Natalie, and Stephanie | BONUS | Saskia’s Story
Betrayal Seasons 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
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4.6 • 655 Ratings
🗓️ 23 March 2026
⏱️ 17 minutes
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Summary
Ember, Natalie, and Stephanie’s stories aren’t over. Here’s where they are today.
Content Warning for rape, tech-enabled sexual abuse, nonconsensual intimate image distribution, mental health struggles, and chronic illness.
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:03.4 | Guaranteed Human. |
| 0:15.6 | I'm Andrea Gunning, and this is a bonus episode of betrayal. |
| 0:21.2 | In season five, episode seven, we introduced you to three other survivors of intimate partner |
| 0:27.1 | violence. Their stories were strikingly similar to Saskia's. And like Saskia, they've |
| 0:33.0 | each rebuilt in the aftermath of what happened to them. We wanted to give you some updates from where |
| 0:38.8 | these survivors are today. So let's start with Ember. Remember, her fiance, John, was |
| 0:44.7 | drugging and raping her. He confessed everything to their pastor. The pastor goes, how often has this |
| 0:52.1 | happened? He goes, this has happened probably once a week, almost the whole time we've been engaged. |
| 0:59.4 | Still, she planned to stay in the relationship to try to make it work. |
| 1:04.6 | But then, she had a chance encounter with John's therapist. |
| 1:09.2 | He broke a major rule of his profession by telling her, |
| 1:13.1 | We've run through a series of diagnostic tests on your fiancé. He's not a safe person. He's |
| 1:19.9 | officially diagnosed as a sociopath, and you should get as far away from him as possible. |
| 1:26.3 | That was kind of the point where I was like, I can't marry this man. |
| 1:31.6 | This is the moment where back in episode seven, we paused the story. |
| 1:36.6 | But we want to tell you what happened next. |
| 1:39.9 | Even after hearing from John's therapist and ending their relationship, Ember didn't seriously consider going to the police. |
| 1:48.1 | What mattered to her was ensuring that John didn't hurt other people, and she felt that that was possible without John's serving time. |
| 1:57.1 | I said, I'm not going to press charges. I'm not going to go to the police as long as you continue getting the help you need to heal so you don't do this to other people. |
| 2:06.1 | And he said, okay, yeah, of course, obviously, I'm going to do that. |
| 2:11.9 | But before long, Ember heard through mutual friends that John stopped going to therapy. |
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