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You know, Welcome in to Up in the Rafters, a podcast brought to you by Inside Carolina this college basketball season.

I'm Taylor Vipolis hosting this, and as always joining me.

He's a national champion.

The final four is most outstanding player.

Carolina basketball legend, Joel Barry.

Joel, Carolina goes on the road to Clemson, Little John Arena. They lose by

20 points, run out of the building, which has become kind of a trend for this North Carolina

team in some of these bigger quad one games. We see it against Duke. Now we see it against Clemson.

Biggest takeaways watching that? Yeah we see it against Clemson. Biggest takeaway is watching that.

Yeah, I mean, Clemson took Carolina behind the woodshed and just just gave it to him, man. It was,

you could you could see the discrepancy and talent, which is so rare with going against a Clemson like that,

a team like that, you know, you usually see Carolina come out on top.

If it's a close game, you know, you can usually see that the talent is better than Clemson.

And last night, it was the total opposite. I saw just lack of

enthusiasm. That's what stood out to me the most. It seemed like for the first time, it seemed like

R.J. Davis was being a leader, like wanting to get the guys like, come on. There were a couple of times where he got the guys in the huddle

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