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So joining us now is Matt Trujala, who I have talked to several times about his excellent book

and about the doctrine of the lesser magistrate.

Thank you for joining us, Matt.

Good to be here with you, David.

And I so apologize for all my technical problems.

No problem. It always has. It's live. So we have that kind of a situation happen frequently. Not a, not a concern. Glad to have you on. Glad we got through to you. And again, your website is Defy Tyrants. Remind me is that.com.com. Okay, good. And that's where people can find a copy of the book.

Of course, you can find it on Amazon, other places like that.

But it's always good to not deal with Amazon, but to deal directly with the author, helps them and helps us to get away from Amazon as well.

So, again, defytheirons.com.

That's exactly right.

And plus we send you a few extra items for free when you purchase the book at our website.

Good, good.

Well, let's talk about this case.

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