There's a great line in the movie, The Good Shepherd.

I like that movie, no one else did, but it's a movie kind of about the formation of the Central Intelligence Agency.

And the guy who's forming it, he turns to somebody and he says, I really, I really want

this agency to be America's eyes and ears, not its heart and soul. But over time, Central

Intelligence Agency, they've gone way beyond their purview and in many ways they have become the heart and soul of this country.

So we're about to dig into this.

We're going to look back on some of the scandals, and they're not all from ancient times.

Many of these are very recent.

Let's figure out exactly what this agency is and what they've been doing, shall we?

Mike Benz is going to join us to do that next.

Well, if you're going to talk about CIA scandals of the CIA,

I'm not sure that you could find a better guest than my friend

Mike Ben's executive director of the Foundation for Freedom Online. He is exposed so much. It's jaw-dropping

at this point in time. Okay, Mike, before we get into the scandals, we have so destroyed the

intelligence operations in this country that people

don't even really understand what CIA is supposed to do.

What are they supposed to do?

Well, the CIA is supposed to be a plausibly-deniable support organization

for the U.S. Department of State on national interest grounds and the U.S. Department of Defense on national security grounds,

which is a long way of saying that in 1948, when the rules-based international order was set up,

we needed a way for the State Department to operate a cloak and

dagger, plausibly deniable black ops shop in order to do the sorts of things that would cause a

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