Obviously, to me, the route forward lies instead in a recovery of our uniqueness as opposed to these machines.

What are the things that we do that they don't?

Like experience, like see colors, like feel love.

I mean, for a long time, we've thought of ourselves as the smartest things in the world.

That may be changing.

But one nice thing about the Bible is it actually never

defined humanity as the smartest entities on earth. It defined us as being in the image of God.

And that, to me, is a better route forward for recovering what we are and how we can

kind of survive and even grow into this age of AI and all the other stuff were discovered.

Spencer Claven is an associate editor at the Claremont Institute,

host of the Young Heritage's podcast and a scholar of ancient Greece.

Claven's astute political commentary ranges from critiques of the modern left

to philosophical explorations of the ancient world.

His articles are routinely featured in outlets including the Atlantic Newsweek, the Federalist, City Journal, and The Daily Wire, as well as Claremont's review of books and The American Mind. Most recently, Claven's expertise is on full display in the Daily Wire's new series, Foundations of the West, where he sits down with Jordan Peterson to discuss the enduring relevance of classical ideas. In today's episode, we explore Claven's latest book, Light of the Mind, Light of the World. Clavin rejects the popular notion that science and religion are incompatible, and instead forecasts a future where a scientific discovery leads to a religious resurgence. We also discuss the symbolic relationship between Athens and Jerusalem, as well as the religious observations of great scientists, like Galileo, Newton, and Einstein.

From the origins of the West to the shortfalls of AI, don't miss this exceptional conversation with Spencer Clavin.. Ben, it's a pleasure. Thanks for having me.

So let's talk about your brand new book, Light of the Mind, Light of the World, which is all about the

relationship between science and faith. So obviously the way that many people are taught in public school

or who come to believe

because of the media is that science and reason are completely opposed to faith and religion.

And these two things have been in conflict forever and sort of the key story that everybody

is told is the story of Copernicus.

And the basic idea is that anybody who is in any way, or Galileo, rather,

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