Unraveling the Complex History of Hamas with Dr. Jonathan Schanzer

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🗓️ 11 April 2024

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Dr. Jonathan Schanzer is a terrorism finance expert, a Senior Vice President for Research at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) and serves on the FDD’s Center on Economic and Financial Power leadership team. Along with hundreds of articles on terrorism and the Middle East, he is the author of Gaza Conflict 2021: Hamas, Israel and Eleven Days of War, State of Failure: Yasser Arafat, Mahmoud Abbas, and the Unmaking of the Palestinian State, Hamas vs. Fatah: The Struggle for Palestine, and Al-Qaeda’s Armies: Middle East Affiliate Groups & the Next Generation of Terror. Previously, Dr. Schanzer was a terrorism finance analyst in the U.S. Department of the Treasury. He also held think tank research positions at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and the Middle East Forum. You can follow him on X @JSchanzer and on Instagram @jonathan.schanzer NOTE: This segment has been extracted from the full-length episode, which originally aired on November 10, 2023. SPONSORS: Red Sky Mourning – The 7th novel in the James Reece Terminal List series. Pre-order today! http://jackcarr.co/rsm Bravo Company Manufacturing: Visit us on the web at http://jackcarr.co/bcm and on Instagram @BravoCompanyUSA.com SIG: Celebrating the 40th Anniversary of the legendary SIG SAUER P226. Learn more here - https://jackcarr.co/SIG40thP226 Jack Carr Gear: Explore the gear here - https://jackcarr.co/gear

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0:00.0	When you think about Hamas's grievances, they've been thwarted twice, right?
0:04.8	They were thwarted once by Arafat in the late 80s, early 90s.
0:09.7	So he says, hey, look at me over here. I'm in Tunisia and I'm going to recognize Israel right now
0:15.7	and I'm going to start a peace process.
0:17.8	He did this to out-flying Hamas.
0:20.8	And Hamas was pissed. So that's the first time that Hamas gets sidelined.
0:25.0	Then they have the election in 2006 and they get sidelined again.
0:29.0	We win the election but nobody lets them take over.
0:32.0	So when you see their deep-seeded hatred and anti-Semitic, anti-Israel rhetoric,
0:39.0	and you think about their history of being frustrated,
0:42.0	this sort of gives you a picture of why we saw just absolutely
0:48.0	unadulterated brutal violence.
0:51.2	Welcome to the Danger Close podcast presented by
0:53.3	Sixhauer. My guest today is Jonathan Shanser. Jonathan is the senior vice
0:58.1	president of research for the defense of democracy. Prior to that, he was a
1:02.1	terrorism finance analyst at the U.S. Department of Treasury.
1:06.5	He is the author of multiple books including State of Failure, Yasser Arafat, Mahmoud Abbas, and the unmaking of the Palestinian state, Hamas versus Vetsab, a struggle for Palestine
1:18.0	and Gaza conflict 2021, Hamas Israel and 11 days of war.
1:24.0	And now, without further I do, Jonathan Schanser.
1:28.0	I'm so excited that you agreed to come on and talk because a conversation like this that goes deeper where there is nuance, where there is understanding, you have to have a foundation.
1:41.6	If your foundation is one minute and 30 seconds of somebody that you see talking on television as you walk by who just got grabbed and thrown in there because they needed to fill a slot, that shouldn't be the basis of your understanding of this conflict or any conflict.
1:53.7	You know, when you watch the coverage of this,
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