meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
The Lincoln Project

Unpacking Trump, the Degenerate, with The New York Times

The Lincoln Project

The Lincoln Project

Society & Culture, Daily News, News, Politics

4.78.4K Ratings

🗓️ 3 June 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

Jonah Bromwich, who's a criminal justice reporter at The New York Times and author of his new book Dragon on Centre Street, joins Rick to drill down to what the Stormy Daniels case actually meant for the American people. The book focuses on Donald Trump’s criminal trial, but it’s also about the way that our institutions have failed to keep up with the 21st century. At heart, this case wasn't about hush money payments or hooking up with a porn star, it was about defrauding the American public during one of the most consequential elections of our lifetime. Trump ultimately won the campaign because he covered up the truth -- a pattern of lying and cover-ups that would shape his political operations to this day. Peek behind the scenes, hear from the reporter who witnessed it all, and listen to what made this case more significant than it was ever covered at the time.  ・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・ Please check out Jonah's new book, "Dragon on Centre Street," and follow him on X at @Jonesiemanand on Bluesky at @jonesieman.bsky.social‬. Follow Rick Wilson at @TheRickWilson on X and @therickwilson.bsky.social on Bluesky, and subscribe to his Substack at therickwilson.substack.com.  Join the fight with the Lincoln Project at www.lincolnproject.us and follow LP on X at @ProjectLincoln. If you'd like to help us continue our critical work, visit https://action.lincolnproject.us/helplp to make a difference. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

already it's just kind of built in that this is a guy who really pisses some people off

0:06.9

other people really like him and like that he pisses those people off and everyone talks about

0:12.6

him your task will not be an easy one your enemy is well trained well equipped in battlehardt

0:18.4

there is not a liberal America and a conservative America.

0:22.6

There is the United States of America.

0:27.5

Good night and good luck.

0:29.6

Hey everybody.

0:30.4

Welcome back to the Lincoln Project podcast.

0:32.2

I am your host, Rick Wilson, as always.

0:34.1

Thank you so much for joining us.

0:35.3

We are delighted to be joined today by one of the great

0:38.8

Metro reporters in the country, a great reporter overall. Jonah Bromwich, who has covered New York

0:45.9

and New Yorkers for quite some time, is the author of a great new book called The Dragon on

0:51.3

Center Street. Now, this refers to a lot of the cases in which Donald

0:57.2

Trump was held to account in the city of New York. And in the chaos of everything that's happened

1:04.8

since then with the re-election and all the other stuff, it's kind of slipped from the public

1:10.2

consciousness that Donald Trump was indicted and convicted

1:14.8

of fraud in the city of New York.

1:17.9

And I want to bring Jonah and to talk about this.

1:20.4

Jonah, thank you so much for joining us today.

1:23.1

First off, talk to us about what the centerpiece of this book is about.

1:27.4

Talk to us about the legal process

...

Transcript will be available on the free plan in 24 days. Upgrade to see the full transcript now.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from The Lincoln Project, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of The Lincoln Project and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2025.