Research that resonates.

He's the president of the Government Accountability Institute, Peter Switzer.

Peter Schweitzer. Peter Schweitzer. Peter Schweitzer has spent many years, in fact, probably

done a more comprehensive job than anyone's ever done, chronicling the corruption by the powerful in Washington. Be very prescient, Eric Eggers.

Join me right now is Government Accountability Institute Research Director, Eric Eggers.

We're going to take information that we've learned that people like Peter Schweitzer have uncovered,

and we're going to try to go further.

Great investigative reporting, Peter. You're the only one doing it.

Thank God.

Eric Eggers from the Government Accountability Institute and co-hosts of that great podcast,

The Drill Down with Peter Schweitzer.

This is The Drill Down with Peter Schweitzer.

Hi, this is Peter Schweitzer and welcome to the Drill Down.

Well, it's another massive case of welfare fraud.

But what about the underlying political networks that are enabling and even encouraging this fraud?

We're going to unpack that today with Eric Eggers, a co-host of this program. Eric, how are you?

I know less than a fraud expert, Peter Schweitzer. So a massive case in

Minnesota, $1 billion, that's what they believe. It could be larger in fraud that's taking

place. We're going to talk about that case. It's not unique to Minnesota. This is a national

problem. And I think what's often forgotten is people get all excited and upset about the amount of money that's stolen, the fact that people are spending this money for what it's not intended.

But this keeps happening because powerful political people kind of sort of want it to keep happening.

One of the things that we talk about often here at the Government Accountability Institute

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