(Unlocked) "Two ways to resist, two ways to die" w/ Max Ajl (pt.2)

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🗓️ 24 June 2024

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The second half of the conversation between TRN Podcast host Nick Estes (@nickwestes) and political ecologist Max Ajl, author of The People's Green New Deal (2021), about his two part article, "Palestine's Great Flood".

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0:00.0	Greetings podcast listeners this is Nick Estes we are releasing the second part of a two-part interview we did with Max Isle on Alexa flood and the Palestinian resistance
0:11.4	Max puts into context the geopolitics of the current moment and the genocide in
0:18.1	Gaza as well as helping us understand and navigate what Palestinian solidarity means in the West and throughout
0:25.5	the West of the world.
0:27.4	We want to thank all of our Patreon subscribers who signed up after the release of the first
0:32.4	part of this interview.
0:34.0	We do have amazing bonus content on our Patreon, which is accessible through Patreon.
0:39.6	com backslash Red Media PR.
0:42.0	We hope to see you next week. Thanks again for the subscriptions. Love and
0:46.6	solidarity to everyone out there. Yeah, there's there's a lot to say there
0:50.6	but you know I think somebody as somebody coming from your
0:53.4	perspective in terms of you know you you wrote a really good book on the Green New
0:57.3	Deal sort of really challenging as I'm sorry I'm shifting gears here a little bit
1:02.2	but but I think there's you know there was
1:06.3	maybe these are like micro debates that don't even matter but there was this sort of
1:09.6	micro debate with like Andreas Malm and I can't remember the other person in the Verso blogs.
1:16.6	And I think Andreas Mam was kind of making this argument that like this moment in Palestine
1:21.7	kind of represents a sort of rupture within the sort of climate movement and like really kind of calling out the sort of colonial sort of first world approaches and and then there was a sort of reaction.
1:32.3	I don't know if you read this and so maybe I'm just I'm summarizing because I don't want you know if you want to go read it whatever that's fine but a lot of it's a lot of it's not a sort of worth reading because it's just like regurgitated bad talking points.
1:46.0	And the other, you know, there was a response to it basically said, you know, like the
1:50.2	Palestinian resistance Hamas, they are like anti-climate, they're anti all these things like to even say
1:56.4	suggest that you know this should be kind of incorporated in the climate justice movement is a complete
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