The All right, welcome listeners to this very special episode of Know Your Enemy.

I'm Matt Sitman, your podcast co-host, and I'm here as always with my great friend,

Sam Heather Bell, and our two guests, Wali Chahid and Abbas Alawea.

Welcome, gentlemen.

Thanks.

Thanks so much for having us.

Yeah, I'm so happy to have you guys here.

A few weeks ago, we recorded our kind of pundit response episode to the DNC but we ended up

talking a lot about the uncommitted movement because that was really at the time that we

recorded the thing that we were most fixated on and felt like the biggest story of the convention to me and Matt and so we wanted to have you two who were very involved in it on to discuss kind of where that movement came from, what was the purpose of it,

what happened at the DNC and what you guys are doing now. But before we dive into that, I guess beginning with the

boss, could you tell us a little bit about yourself?

Yeah, thanks so much again.

I'm so excited to be here.

My name is Habbah.

I'm one of the leaders of the Uncommitted National Movement.

I was also an uncomcommitted delegate from Michigan

to the Democratic National Convention.

Before uncommitted organizing and ceasefire organizing,

I spent five years on Capitol Hill which is like spending a whole lot more time

elsewhere it took a lot out of me but I was a chief of staff to Congresswoman Corey Bush and legislative director to Congresswoman

Rashida Talib and got on the hill working as an advisor to former Congressman Ande

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