Good evening, current affairs listeners. I am here tonight with an incredibly special guest,

someone who I've been looking forward to talking to for a very long time. She is Rihanna Gunn Wright.

She is currently the Green New Deal policy lead at New Consensus and the incoming policy director.

Before that, she worked as the policy director for one of my favorite politicians in the

country, Mr. Abdul al-Sayyad in Michigan, and formulated a series of extraordinary state-level

policy documents to accompany that campaign. And they were kind of some of the things that really

excited me about that campaign. We're going to get into that in our discussion. So, Rihanna, thank you so much for joining me. Oh my gosh. Thank you. That was the best

intro. I felt like I was like a wrestler and someone was coming out and being like,

hello! Now you've got to live up to the height. I'll try. I'll try, but it was pretty much

a dream intro, so I'm into it.

Oh, good, good. If there's anything else, you want me to say...

No, at this point, I just want you to narrate my whole life.

Okay. I first encountered your work on the Abdul El-Sah campaign where you put together this

extraordinary state-level single-payer plan called Mishikare. But am I right?

It's not quite usual for an insurgent gubernatorial candidate to even have a policy

director.

Is that right?

Yeah, that's right.

It's not usual for any gubernatorial candidate to usually have a policy director.

But Abdul was really serious about it. I think it's not really a

secret. He's kind of a nerd. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's kind of a nerd. And I am too. And so for him,

it was really important to run on a pretty policy-heavy platform. In part, I think, because that's just who he is, I think in part

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