Hello, everyone. I am Pete Davis, your host. I am here with Jesse Isinger.

Jesse is a senior reporter and editor at ProPublica. He is a Pulitzer Prize winner. How does it feel seven years later to still hear that?

No, I put the medal on every morning if they get up.

Still, yeah.

What have you done for us lately, Jesse?

What have you done for me lately?

He is the author of the chickens.

It's a long time ago.

Yeah, we'll see.

I will ask you by the end of what's coming next down the pipeline.

But the last big thing was he is

the author of the Chicken Shit Club, Why the Justice Department Fals to Prosecute Executives,

and are one of our nation's experts on white-collar crime and its feckless prosecutors.

One special thing about Jesse, listener Cheneau, is he is very well-liked and well-regarded in our corner of politics, which is very rare because we are all very nitpicky, disagreeable people in our corner of politics.

But I think people respect that you, Jesse, don't just write takes after takes, but you put in the work to figure out what's really going on in the halls of power.

So I'm so glad to have you on.

Thank you for coming on current affairs.

Thanks so much. I'm very pleased to be here.

I wanted to bring you on because it seems like the entire crisis in America is that the power centers

are filled with criminals and the people who don't hold them to account.

So I thought, let's bring in an expert on white collar criminals and the people who don't hold

them to account. So let's start with 2020, which is coming up, the presidential election.

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