Hello, listeners. It's your host, Pete Davis here. Thank you for tuning in. I am happy to report

that here on the podcast today is one of my favorite people in the movement, Jane McAlead.

I like Jane because she's very serious, not in the stern sense of the word, but in the sense

that she actually wants to win.

She is not satisfied with being on the right side of history.

She actually wants to move history in the right direction.

And most splendidly, she is not afraid to tell you when your strategy or lack thereof is not serious about winning.

She knows that the new Gilded Age will not be overcome with gimmicks,

no app, no targeted mail campaign, no super lobbyist,

no hashtag, no shallow mobilization strategy is going to save us

only the slow and steady work of smart organizing is put another way

jane maca levy is very hardcore and she is from one of the most hardcore branches of the left

which is the world of labor organizing she's a longtime organizer in the environmental and labor

movements she's a contributing writer at the Nation magazine and is the author of raising expectations and raising hell and no shortcuts organizing for power in the new gilded age.

So glad to have you on, Jane.

Thanks for coming on Current Affairs.

My pleasure, Pete. Nice to hear your voice and good to be talking about you today.

So I'd like to get started with one of your big distinctions in the book, No Shortcuts,

which is mobilizing versus organizing. You are critical of the mobilizers and you are a sage

of the organizers. What is the difference

educate our listeners between mobilizing and organizing? Sure. Yes. And I should say,

I'm not critical of mobilization. I'm very clear that we need to do plenty of mobilization.

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