4.9 • 1.8K Ratings
🗓️ 13 June 2024
⏱️ 57 minutes
🧾️ Download transcript
The imperial core—which is comprised of settler-colonial states like those in Western Europe, as well as states like the United States, Canada and Australia—have been stealing the resources and labor of the Global South—or the periphery—for centuries. It started with the direct colonial violence and resource exploitation that marked much of the last few centuries, but it didn’t end there.
Neo-colonialism—a term that you’re probably familiar with—is broadly defined as the use of economic, political, cultural, or other pressures to control or influence other countries, especially former colonies. But what does it actually look like in practice? How is the imperial core still plundering and pillaging the periphery? The practice of widespread crude, cruel, brute force that marked direct colonialism may not exist in the same exact form as it once did—but the outcome is still the same: mass extraction and exploitation from the Global South which has resulted in a staggering net transfer of resources, wealth, and labor to the Global North.
In this episode, we’re going to discuss the mechanisms and extent of neocolonial extraction and exploitation as they manifest today, and we’ve brought on the perfect guest to walk us through it.
Jason Hickel is a professor at the The Institute for Environmental Science and Technology at the Autonomous University of Barcelona, the author of the books The Divide: A Brief Guide to Global Inequality and its Solutions and Less is More: How Degrowth will Save the World, and the the lead author of two papers that we’ll be focusing on today: “Imperialist appropriation in the world economy: Drain from the global South through unequal exchange, 1990–2015” published in journal Global Environmental Change, and "Unequal exchange of labour in the world economy" forthcoming in the journal Nature Communications.
In this conversion we explore the theory of uneven exchange and how it sheds light on neocolonialism in practice, we discuss some of the key findings from Jason’s research on imperialist appropriation in the world economy, we dispel some of the myths perpetuated by those claiming that capitalism has lifted “millions out of poverty,” we talk about what a just degrowth transition of the global economy would look like and, crucially, how we might achieve it.
Further resources:
Related Episodes:
Thank you to Berwyn Mure for the covert art.
Upstream is a labor of love — we couldn't keep this project going without the generosity of our listeners and fans. Subscribe to our Patreon at patreon.com/upstreampodcast or please consider chipping in a one-time or recurring donation at www.upstreampodcast.org/support
If your organization wants to sponsor one of our upcoming documentaries, we have a number of sponsorship packages available. Find out more at upstreampodcast.org/sponsorship
For more from Upstream, visit www.upstreampodcast.org and follow us on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and Bluesky.
You can also subscribe to us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts.
Click on a timestamp to play from that location
0:00.0 | A quick note before we jump into this Patreon episode. |
0:03.6 | Thank you to all of our Patreon subscribers for making upstream possible. |
0:08.3 | We genuinely couldn't do this without you. |
0:11.1 | Your support allows us to create bonus content like this and to provide most of our content for free |
0:17.0 | so we can continue to offer political education media to the public and build our movement. Thank you comrades. We hope you enjoy this conversation. Oh, oh, oh, oh, |
0:35.0 | Oh, oh, |
0:37.0 | Oh, uh, So what we did in this paper is we looked at flows between the global north and the |
0:51.9 | global south as groups. |
0:53.0 | And what we found is that every year the south does indeed net transfers truly massive quantities of value to the global north. |
1:01.0 | We found a huge net flow of about 12 billion tons of |
1:06.2 | embodied raw materials and about 21 exiguels of embodied energy from the |
1:11.1 | global south of the global north each year. |
1:13.0 | Now, these are huge figures, |
1:14.9 | and it's almost impossible to understand what they mean. |
1:16.8 | So let me illustrate it by pointing this out. |
1:19.0 | This quantity of materials and energy |
1:21.6 | would be enough to provide infrastructure and supplies to |
1:24.8 | ensure health care education, housing, water, electricity, heating, cooling, induction |
1:30.3 | stoves, refrigerators, public transit, computers, mobile phones, etc. |
1:35.0 | For the entire population of the Global South. |
1:38.0 | Ending poverty and ensuring decent lives for everybody, |
1:42.0 | but instead it is siphoned away for consumption and |
... |
Please login to see the full transcript.
Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Upstream, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.
Generated transcripts are the property of Upstream and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.
Copyright © Tapesearch 2025.