There's almost a kind of an intellectual civil war happening, especially among younger

American Jews.

Because among younger American Jews, fundamental questioning of Israel and even of Zionism is not

that margin.

So you have, on the one hand, some Jewish students who, you are more Zionists, who feel like

the pro-Palestinian activism is very threatening to that. And they see it as anti-Semitic.

On the other hand, in these pro-Palestinian groups and on these activists in these protests,

you also have a lot of Jewish groups. The

The It's a real pleasure to welcome Peter Bynart to Bad Faith podcast.

You know him as the editor at large at Jewish currents.

He is also an author over at the Bynard Notebook on Substack and is a professor

of journalism and political science at the City University of New York. Welcome to Bad Faith, Peter.

Thank you. Many people probably know you as one of the few more progressive voices that have been appearing on mainstream news. You have

also appeared on Democracy Now and the number of contacts since the events of October 7. And I think one of the

reasons why you're such a compelling interlocutor in this space is because there's someone has been

very open about your own personal evolution or personal journey as someone who for much of their life identified more

closely with the Zionist project than you do now. And I wondered if we could maybe start

by talking a little bit about your own personal journey. Sure. I grew up in a family where the idea that there would be a Jewish state was very important,

especially for my grandmother who had a really big influence on me as a kid. My grandmother who was born

in Egypt, in Alexandria. Her family were from the Isla Rhodes in Turkey and originally before that,

many hundreds of years earlier from Spain. And then, of all things, the family had to leave Egypt

and went to the Belgian Congo and then went to South Africa. And I think her life was really defined

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