It's no hyperbole.

They understand their class interests.

They don't worry about their pronouns.

They worry about their bank accounts.

They would have all mobilized with the media and all their resources to stop burning. All right. I am so pleased to be joined again on Bad Faith podcast by Professor Norman Finkelstein. He has had faculty positions at Brooklyn College,

Rutgers University, Hunter's College, New York University, and DePaul University. He has been

perhaps one of the most influential voices, particularly on issues relating to Israel-Palestine

conflict and Palestinian rights. And it is such a pleasure to be here talking about a book, which is finally out,

which we have teased and talked about several times on this podcast as he has so graciously shared

chapters with me.

But here it is, I'll burn that bridge when I get to it, heretical thoughts on identity,

politics, cancel culture, and academic freedom.

Welcome back. Well, thank you for having me.

It's always my pleasure to be on with you. So, Norm, I know that we have talked about this book a little

bit already, mentioned it in passing, but I want to just open it up a little bit more broadly.

Sometimes we get very quickly into the nitty gritty. But first of foremost, I want to ask you about your thought process choosing to write this book.

You're someone who is known as being heretical in one context in particular, specifically talking about Israel, Palestine.

But this engages with academia, more broadly speaking, the nature of cancellation.

And it's to take on an area, cancel culture,

which most frequently has been treated from a right perspective.

As a leftist, why did you want to take this project on?

Well, I guess the main reason is because I think the current left is completely unsurious.

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