People give up on themselves.

It's like you have a stadium full of people, Brianna.

And the person down on the podium shouts out, what's the difference between ignorance and apathy?

And the crowd roars back, we don't know and we don't care.

Everything starts with one person, two persons, every movement of justice in our country. All right.

I cannot contain my excitement about being joined once again by Ralph Nader.

No stranger to this show. Of course, consumer advocate, lawyer, former presidential candidate, environmentalist. Welcome back, Ralph. Thank you, Brunner. It's been a while since you've been on the show, and a lot has happened over the past year. So if I could just catch up with a couple of small things that I know that have been on people's mind. More recently, before we get into some of the bigger topics, I know you want to talk about.

First and foremost, in everybody's mind, is what has just happened with these railworkers.

And the Biden administration, Congress voting to enforce these deal terms on this agreement on

railworkers who voted overwhelmingly with 55% not to accept this

TA, who are now not only forced to accept it, but because of the Railway Labor Act,

unable to legally strike.

Blame has been thrown all around.

It's been kind of heartening to see that even the mainstream media has understood

Biden's role here in crushing

this prospective strike. But there's also been some heat thrown in the way of progressives,

almost all of whom, with the exception of Rashida Talib, went ahead and voted for the TA

against the wishes of 55% of real voters who voted it down. And I wonder what you make of that. Is it fair to be

throwing any criticism their way? And how do you make of how progressives, generally speaking,

have been handling these sorts of moments where they could potentially be heightening the

contradictions between themselves and the kind of politics that are represented by mainstream

Democrats? Well, a lot of these young progressive Democrats in Congress,

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