Good evening, current affairs listeners. My name is Nathan Robertson. I'm the editor of Current Affairs

Magazine, and I am here with a tremendously special guest. I am here with a man to whom I sort of

owe my entire career for reasons we will get into. I am here with Vasquez and Carr. He is

the publisher of Jacobin Magazine and founder of Jacobin Magazine. He is also the

author of the brand new socialist manifesto, and I am just thrilled to have him with me today.

Oscar, hello. Thank you for having me. That was a fittingly grandiloquent introduction. I don't think I deserve all that, but I definitely do appreciate it.

What I do is I really build people up in the intro so they feel they have to live up to it with sparkling conversation.

Exactly. You are the white don't king, if you will.

Thank you. Nobody has ever called me that before.

I don't think anyone ever will.

So this is the first.

That's my blur.

What I say, though, that I owe my career to you.

What I mean is that you ran a magazine, how five, I think Jackavan was founded, what,

2010 was it?

Yeah, late 2010.

It started as an online magazine in, in like September, October of 2010.

So we started in 2015.

So you've been going for five years at that point, half a decade, and built something, and I

looked at Jacobin and I thought, Jesus Christ, that is impressive.

You did a thing that nobody has ever done before, which, or maybe, you know,

this might be a little unfair, but you made left media fun and readable and, and colorful.

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