And the So, I'm going to Oh, Welcome to the show this week, Trowbillies. I am joined by a very special guest.

The author of a book that you've no doubt heard me reference a time or two in the last few months.

The book is called The Dreadful History and Judgment of God on Thomas Munzer, the life and

times of an early German revolutionary. The author is Andrew Drummond, who I have here with me today.

How are you doing today, Andrew?

Oh, hi, towns.

I'm doing very well, thank you.

Good, good to hear it.

Two, just as a way of like getting the audience a little you know

introduced to this it's interesting I was reading the I was reading Ingalls book on the German Pezens War which is really a

fascinating book I I don't really know how the history of it holds up but as far as I understand it like after the

revolution of 1848 Marx goes and writes the 18th bramare, right?

Like he's trying to like figure out like, what happened?

Like why did the bourgeois, like, why did the bourgeoisie like not side

with the proletariat in this case like what are the class divisions here right and so he writes this amazing

Track to the 18th premiere but Ingalls goes and he looks at this and he's like, no, we have to go, like in the classic Ingalls way, he has to go like, we have to go deep history here. We have to look at the German passenger rebellion.

And like, so yeah, he looks at the situation in like 15th, 16th century Germany.

And it's fascinating because he applies a lot of the same

developments a lot of the same observations he notices in 1848 to the German

peasants rebellion which I've front loaded the probably one of the last questions I was going to ask you, but it's really fascinating how a lot of historians will take Thomas Muncer's story and the German peasants rebellion and apply it to contemporary events. And Ingalls was one example of that but yeah but you

you you point out several in the in the book as well I think that after the terror

and the French Revolution was maybe one of the first attempts to grapple with this history and then there was like a Hegelian, I think it was Zimmerman, was that his name

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