I think what's really important, when you think about long obedience, don't worry about the outcome.

Focus on the input.

Like, you know, keep learning, keep growing, keep cultivating a holy curiosity towards life.

When you experience failure, like, do a really good job of learning from it.

Hey, it's great to have you back for another episode of the Craig Rochelle Leadership Podcast.

I've got a really fun interview for you today from a good friend of mine that is leading a lot of different things and has a lot of

experience. I want to tell you about our guests before I do. If you're new to the podcast,

you're going to want to get the leader guide. Go to life.church slash leadership podcast and we'll

send you the guide with the release of each episode. And I want to say to those of you that are out

there liking it, commenting and sharing on social media, thank you. guide with the release of each episode. And I want to say to those of you that are out there

liking it, commenting and sharing on social media, thank you. It means the world to me.

I'm working hard to give you good content. And the thing you can do to help me is to help

others be a part of our community. So if you share and tag me, our team may repost you on

social media. Let me tell you who we've got today.

He is the lead pastor of National Community Church in Washington, D.C., and he's doing a lot more than that.

This guy has written 25 books.

He owns and operates, the church owns and operates, Ebenezer's Coffee House, the largest

coffee house on Capitol Hill,

the Miracle Theater, the D.C. Dream Center, and Capitol Turnaround as gathering places for

people in the community. He is a New York Times best-selling author of the book, The Circle Maker.

His new book is A Million Little Miracles, and this guy has great leadership experience.

This is a rich interview, and so let's go to Mark now. Hey, Mark Batterson, great to have you on

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