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UnJustified

Unlawful Orders (feat. Virginia Burger of POGO.org)

UnJustified

MSW Media

News, News Commentary, History, Politics

4.87.4K Ratings

🗓️ 30 November 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

The cases against Jim Comey and Letitia James have been dismissed by a judge who found that Interim US Attorney Lindsey Halligan was unlawfully appointed. News outlets are reporting that President Trump is weighing removing Kash Patel from his position as director of the FBI, but the administration denies those claims. The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals upholds the dismissal of Trump's 2022 lawsuit against Hillary Clinton et al, and allows the $1M sanctions fine to stand. The FBI has opened an investigation into six members of Congress for reminding active duty service members and employees of the intelligence community that they do not have to obey illegal orders. Plus listener questions…

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0:00.0

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0:05.7

The cases against Jim Comey and Letitia James have been dismissed by a judge who found that interim U.S. attorney Lindsay Halligan was unlawfully appointed.

0:16.3

News outlets are reporting that President Trump is weighing, removing Kosh Patel from his position as

0:21.9

director of the FBI, but the administration is denying those claims.

0:26.1

The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals upholds the dismissal of Trump's 22 lawsuit against Hillary

0:32.0

Clinton at all and allows the $1 million sanctions fine to stand.

0:41.5

And the FBI has opened an investigation into six members of Congress for reminding active duty service members and employees of the intelligence community that they do not have

0:45.8

to obey illegal orders.

0:48.2

This is unjustified.

1:01.8

Hey, everybody, welcome to episode 45 of Unjustified. It is Sunday, November 30th, 2025. I'm Alison Gill.

1:11.5

And I'm Andy McCabe. All right, Alison, we're going to dive right in. As many of you have heard, six members of Congress issued a public service announcement,

1:17.2

reminding active duty service members and those in the intelligence community that they can and must refuse to obey illegal orders. In response, the president called for their deaths

1:23.7

in order that the Justice Department should open criminal investigations.

1:28.9

One of the six, Senator Mark Kelly, has been pushing back against the investigation,

1:34.1

leading Secretary of Defense Pete Hegssef to announce that he'd consider recalling Senator

1:39.5

Kelly to active duty and subjecting him to a court martial.

1:44.3

Now, our guest today is former active duty Marine Corps officer, who currently serves as the

1:49.7

senior defense policy analyst at the Project on Government Oversight, better known as Pogo,

1:55.5

and she can speak to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

1:58.9

Everybody please welcome Virginia Berger.

2:01.4

Virginia, how are you?

2:02.6

I'm great recovering from Thanksgiving.

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