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You Can’t Make This Up

Unknown Number: The High School Catfish

You Can’t Make This Up

Netflix

Society & Culture, Documentary, Tv & Film, True Crime, Film Interviews

4.21K Ratings

🗓️ 3 September 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

The Netflix documentary Unknown Number: The High School Catfish brings us the teen victims, their families, and the investigators behind a disturbing case of digital harassment. We also hear from the catfish who attempts to explain their actions, as well as the people they hurt, about whether or not they can forgive the pain inflicted on them. In this episode of You Can't Make This Up, host Rebecca Lavoie interviews director Skye Borgman. SPOILER ALERT! If you haven't watched Unknown Number: The High School Catfish yet, make sure to add it to your watch-list before listening on.  Dig deeper into all of your favorite Netflix documentaries and films at tudum.com. Read more about the case and what’s next for the Licari family. Check our true crime hub at tudum.com/truecrime. Listen to more from Netflix Podcasts.

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0:00.0

I'm Rebecca Levoy, and this is You Can't Make This Up.

0:14.9

You Can't Make This Up is the podcast where we uncover the true stories behind your favorite Netflix documentaries and films.

0:21.4

On today's episode, we take a closer look at the Netflix documentary film, Unknown Number,

0:26.9

a high school catfish.

0:28.4

Your phone can be a good thing, obviously, to communicate with your friends, but they

0:32.4

could definitely be a way that something dangerous could happen.

0:36.0

It's crazy how having a phone could become the

0:38.5

worst thing that happened to me. Today we're talking to director Sky Borgman. When 13-year-old

0:43.3

Lauren received mean text messages about her and her boyfriend, everyone assumed it was a not

0:49.0

uncommon case of cyberbullying. But the anonymous messages grew brutally cruel, sexually explicit, and never

0:56.4

ending. With fingers pointing in every direction, parents, teachers, and law enforcement had

1:01.9

no luck identifying Lawrence Tormenter. Then, data buried within the messages revealed a surprising

1:08.7

person behind the crime.

1:15.9

The Netflix documentary, unknown number, a high school catfish, brings us the teen victims,

1:20.7

their families, and the investigators behind this disturbing case of digital harassment.

1:26.7

We also hear from the catfish, who attempts to explain their actions, as well as the people they hurt, and about whether or not they can forgive the pain inflicted on them.

1:31.2

There's no doubt that it'll have a lasting impact on all of these families.

1:36.5

And the impact that this is going to have on these kids may be lifelong.

1:50.1

Yeah. long. And I'm once again joined by director Sky Borgman.

1:53.1

Welcome back, Sky.

1:54.1

Thank you so much for having me again.

1:56.4

We've had you on so many times for so many different kinds of documentaries.

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