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Hello and welcome back to BigMood LittleMood. I'm your host, Daniel Levery, and with me in the

studio this week is Dr. Ida Santana, an addiction medicine physician and a writer.

She's on substack as at Ida Santana where she publishes Osage Orange Dispatches from the Prairie Land.

Dr. Ida Santana, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. I'm glad to be here, Danny.

I'm so glad to have you here if for no other reason then I got the chance to say Osage out loud

instead of just seeing it written and guessing how you might say it in my mind.

Oh well I grew up cutting firewood and boat octaves have thorns and it's one of the

least favorite if you're bush hogging they will come get you so but they were used to make

bows back in France long ago anyway and the Osage Orange is a real fruit yes.

It's like a walnut type of a it's a hole over a nut like it's the fruit you know the seeding

process from the tree and my substack is not graphically designed correctly so they're green not

orange it's not an actual orange it just has a shape of an orange so once I get somebody to help

me with that it'll be the right color it'll be all over for everybody yes I also really appreciate

this because I was just briefly reading about like the history of these hedges and how they were

often used as like a barrier hedge and that it was sometimes referred to as horse high bull strong

and pigtight. Oh lovely which I think is one of the most amazing descriptions of a plant I've

ever read in my life and I hope to live my life in such a way that somebody could say this about

me and my funeral. Oh there'll be so many things so many things to say. Yeah I'll see what I can do.

I am looking forward to kind of talking through some of these questions together not all of them

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