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🗓️ 5 September 2023
⏱️ 44 minutes
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We're joined by Nick Estes, of The Red Nation podcast to talk about Indigenous sovereignty, land back, and how stupid Mount Rushmore is.
You can find Nick's work at www.therednation.org.
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5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. Rachel Ward is our producer. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.
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0:00.0 | We'll hear arguments next in the United States against the Sue Nation event, don't we? |
0:08.8 | Hey everyone, this is Not Leon. It's Andrew Parsons from Prologue Projects. |
0:13.2 | I'm Philly and Infilly on Wally's on Paternity leave. |
0:16.5 | This week, the hosts are talking about United States Vesunation, |
0:20.0 | with host of the Red Nation podcast, Nick Estes. On paper, the case looks like a win for Indigenous folks. |
0:26.8 | In 1980, the Sue are granted a cash settlement for land they have the treaty rights to, |
0:32.0 | but to date, the tribes have refused to claim the funds. Many folks argue that they don't want money. |
0:38.0 | They want the land back. This is 5-4, a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. |
0:47.7 | Welcome to 5-4, where we dissect and analyze the Supreme Court cases that are |
0:52.4 | breaking our civil rights, like Mercury breaking through our thermometers. I'm Peter. |
0:56.7 | I am here with Rianan. Hello. And our friend Nick Estes. How's it going? We're thrilled to have |
1:02.4 | on the podcast today. Nick Estes with us. Nick is a member of the Lower Brul Sue Tribe and an |
1:09.2 | assistant professor of American Indian studies at the University of Minnesota. He's a journalist, |
1:14.2 | a Lakota historian, and the host of the Red Nation podcast. He's also an author of Our History |
1:20.9 | is the Future, Standing Rock versus the Dakota Access Pipeline, and the long tradition of Indigenous |
1:27.1 | Resistance. We are here today to talk about how shitty the Supreme Court is on federal Indian law |
1:35.0 | and so thrilled to have Nick with us. Nick, thanks for being here. Yeah, thanks for having me. |
1:39.7 | We've kicked Michael off the podcast for the week. Last I checked doing hard drugs in Las Vegas. |
1:46.0 | Probably. Yeah. Today's case, United States v. Sunation. This is a case from 1980 about the |
1:53.5 | compensation of the Sunation of Indians for the seizure by the federal government of the great |
1:58.5 | Sue reservation over a century prior. But this case is a little more complicated. Despite the |
2:06.9 | legal win, the Sue people have to date rejected the compensation because they are concerned that |
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