United Security: Interview with Jim Clapper

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🗓️ 8 January 2021

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

In this sample from the United Security podcast, Jim Clapper, former Director of National Intelligence, speaks with host Ken Wainstein about his experiences as a top intelligence official in South Korea during the 1970s and 1980s. In the full episode, Director Clapper takes Ken on a panorama of American intelligence successes and failures, touching on the Vietnam War, the Soviet Union, the Gulf War, and the Iraq War. Along the way, Clapper offers novel observations on the state of geopolitics and American institutions. To listen to the full episode and get access to the full archive of CAFE Insider content, try the membership free for two weeks: www.cafe.com/insider Sign up to receive the free weekly CAFE Brief newsletter, featuring analysis by Elie Honig: wwww.cafe.com/brief This podcast is produced by CAFE Studios. Tamara Sepper – Executive Producer; Adam Waller – Senior Editorial Producer; Nat Weiner — Audio Producer; David Kurlander — Editorial Producer, Sam Ozer-Staton — Editorial Producer. REFERENCES: Luis Martinez, “How Clapper's Secret Mission to North Korea Came About,” ABC News, 11/9/2014 Jim Clapper, “Ending the Dead End in North Korea,” New York Times, 5/19/2018 Kelsey Davenport, “Chronology of Libya's Disarmament and Relations with the United States,” Arms Control Association, 1/2018 Connor O’Brien, “Clapper: North Korean leader 'may have met his match' in Trump,” Politico, 5/27/2018 Jim Clapper, “James Clapper: Kim Jong Un Is a God in North Korea,” The Daily Beast, 6/1/2018 Uri Friedman, “The ‘God Damn’ Tree That Nearly Brought America and North Korea to War,” The Atlantic, 6/10/2018 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hi folks, Ken Wayne's scene here. With Lisa Monaco out again this week, I'm lucky to be joined by Jim Clapper.
0:08.0	Jim is a retired Lieutenant General who served as President Obama's Director of National Intelligence.
0:14.0	Even before becoming the nation's top intelligence official, Jim had a fascinating career in the military and in the intelligence community.
0:23.0	He held a number of key positions within the IC, including leading the Defense Intelligence Agency and the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, and also serving as the Undersecretary Defense for Intelligence.
0:35.0	I spoke with Jim about his personal journey and about the national security issues that defined his career.
0:42.0	Every other week, Lisa Monaco and I break down national security issues on the United Security Podcast.
0:48.0	Today, we are sharing a clip with listeners of State Tune with Pre.
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1:22.0	We look forward to having you as a part of the insider community.
1:28.0	So shifting now from your experiences with the Soviet Union to your experiences in North Korea.
1:35.0	And a good bit of your book, the early part of your book focuses on North Korea.
1:39.0	And I want to ask about a couple of your, the incidents there.
1:42.0	But first, you actually make a very clear point of, of laying out your thoughts about how we should be dealing with Kim Jong-un and the current Korean government.
1:54.0	It's not, not all the time that a careful intelligence person like yourself.
1:58.0	Wades into the policy waters, but you very intentionally did so here.
2:03.0	Give us here if you would give us a little thumbnail of your thoughts about how best to deal with what you call the Hermit Kingdom in North Korea.
2:11.0	Well, by way of background, I served in South Korea for two years in the mid 80s.
2:17.0	And I was a director of intelligence for US forces, Korea.
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