This is CBSI on the world with Professor Lloyd Clark.

He's director of research at the Center for Army Leadership at the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst.

That is why the major theme here is leadership, not who wins the battles, but how the men responded to the leader,

how the junior leaders learned from the senior leaders. We'll begin with Erwin Rommel only because

he's executed as a traitor by Adolf Hitler. And what I learn about Erwin Rommel is that

his wife, Lucy, never, never relented on the

idea that he was persecuted because he was successful and that he was not involved in the plot

against Hitler. But then again, Lucy was looking at it from the point of view of a survivor of the

Second War in Germany, which was

a deprived land for many years afterwards, not until the Marshall Plan showed up in the late

40s. Did Germany stop starving? So I don't ask Lucy Rommel to have an opinion that stands up in

the 21st century.

Professor, the fact that there was a plot against Hitler recommends all of these officers.

Is there a moment you can see in what we have of the letters to Lucy or his memoirs,

where Rommel realized that he was working for the devil?

I think that what we see increasingly is Rommel recognizing that Hitler was a very flawed man,

not necessarily as a leader or even as a politician,

but as a personality, his behaviour traits were

something that Rommel increasingly didn't like. If you add on to that the way that he seemed to be

so callous with the lives of troops, he wouldn't listen to expert comment, including his own.

I think by Normandy, we see in Ronald's letters to Lucy

that he's beginning to change his mind about Hitler and he's beginning to be a little less

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