I think my understanding of sanctification is deepened because really the whole series is

Lily's faith journey. It's her being lost, finding her hope, and then afterwards, you know,

which I think is true for all of us on the Christian journey, as we always think about our conversion

story is this shining

moment, but then we have a lifetime afterwards of falling and growing and learning and learning

to lean upon Christ and learning again to lean upon Christ. And that is a lifelong process.

Katie Butler trained in surgery and critical care at Massachusetts General Hospital and

Harvard Medical School, where she then joined the faculty. She's the author of a number of books

including the Dreamkeeper saga, a middle grade adventure series which just concluded with the fifth

and final book, The Last Keeper.

Katie, thanks so much for joining me today on the Crossway podcast.

Oh, Matt, it is always just a pleasure, truly.

Before I even got on, you know, my kids saying, what's this podcast about?

I'm like, oh, it's going to be fun.

It's with Matt Tully.

It'll be a delight.

I'm sure they knew exactly who that was.

So when we last spoke about the Dreamkeeper saga in 2022, the first book in the series had

recently come out. And now we're releasing the fifth and final book in that series.

And so I wonder now, as a way to start our conversation, as you think back

at this journey that you've been on as an author, having this initial idea and now publishing

the final book in the series, what comes to mind? What do you think about? Did the series come

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